My 2007 XL7 currently has 80 000 KMS or approx. 50 000 miles. My engine light came on a few weeks ago but would only come on for a short time then go off for a period of time. I checked the code and it came up as a P008, something to do with the crank or cam shaft timing. But since the light was not staying on permanently I thought it might just be a problem with the sensor itself. About 2 weeks later the light came on and stayed on. The truck seemed to be running fine and have not noticed any lack of performance. I brought it to the Suzuki dealer this morning to find out that the timing chains need to be changed. I was told that this is a problem/flaw with these motors. The parts have been ordered and my vehicle will be spending 2-3 days next week. This is all covered under the powertrain warranty. I did ask if I should expect the same problem 80 000 KMS later and they said probably not since they are replacing the parts with what is suppose to better quality parts from Suzuki. I am not impressed at all with this problem and I will probably get rid of this vehicle by next year. I have lost confidence with this vehicle!
Timing chains a MAJOR problem!!
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Other Than the light coming on i did notice a reduction in power. Well my XL7 has been with the dealer for a week. so far they say suzuki may replace the engine. I read an above post that if the timing chain wears out. hmm wouldnt that contaminate the lubricant and get fine metal into other parts of the motor. The dealer did say that the reason they may change the motor is that other componants appear to be failing shortly thereafter. so rather have the vehicle keep coming back they may replace it. also they told me "the computer gives inacurate times for engil oil life." They also mentioned the sludge problem. However i have used full synthetic the whole time and my engine is clean as a whistle. So yes i would say that the timing chains are a defect.
I will make a video of an 07 XL7 I'm working on right now that needs t-chains. It has ZERO power, barely running. Has 11 DTCs. P0006, P0008, P0016, P0018, then there are two codes for engine system performance bank 1 and 2, then cylinder misfires P0300, P0302, P0304, P0306...
Can't wait to tear into it. It's my first one
Can't wait to tear into it. It's my first one
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Jeff, I'll bet that one had a chain jump at least one tooth..
Try setting up the cam tools first, I have a feeling they won't fit..
Also, they quietly changed the software on the oil life monitor.
If you do a reflash on the ECM you'll notice the latest software changes the oil life to 5,000 miles..
Try setting up the cam tools first, I have a feeling they won't fit..
Also, they quietly changed the software on the oil life monitor.
If you do a reflash on the ECM you'll notice the latest software changes the oil life to 5,000 miles..
Hmmm good to know...I think every XL7 just had P0128 come on since it's been cold out . Perfect excuse to quietly update everyone's ECM under warranty and help them save their engine!
I will set up the tool first and see what's what. I have to bring the truck in tomorrow and get the engine number off of the motor so we can order parts. Just got approval to go ahead and repair under warranty today. It's an American vehicle so we need to get approval before any warranty work is done.
. Perfect excuse to quietly update everyone's ECM under warranty and help them save their engine!I will set up the tool first and see what's what. I have to bring the truck in tomorrow and get the engine number off of the motor so we can order parts. Just got approval to go ahead and repair under warranty today. It's an American vehicle so we need to get approval before any warranty work is done.
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Hello Kenster1...
Can I ask where your from.....?
Who's the dealer...?
Thank you
Can I ask where your from.....?
Who's the dealer...?
Thank you
VERY interesting thread!
Shopping for a new SUV looked at the Suzuki's and others. Really like the GM Acadia but I've been hearing about timing chain issues with them also! http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f53/acadia-3-6l-chain-stretch-98372/
Now I see they use the same engine or design as Suzuki! GM used these in their Acadia's Enclave's etc. since 2007. Now I'm trying to figure out if and when they corrected this issue? Sounds like depending on maintance its not if but when these things need to be replaced. Off waranty on the GM Suv it's not cheap as the engine has to be removed. I was looking to buy used one a couple years old 2008 or 2009 but now I'm not so sure.
Shopping for a new SUV looked at the Suzuki's and others. Really like the GM Acadia but I've been hearing about timing chain issues with them also! http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f53/acadia-3-6l-chain-stretch-98372/
Now I see they use the same engine or design as Suzuki! GM used these in their Acadia's Enclave's etc. since 2007. Now I'm trying to figure out if and when they corrected this issue? Sounds like depending on maintance its not if but when these things need to be replaced. Off waranty on the GM Suv it's not cheap as the engine has to be removed. I was looking to buy used one a couple years old 2008 or 2009 but now I'm not so sure.
People that are getting new motors must have other issues with the motor as well? Suzuki called me and asked if there was any engine noise at all becase they would rather put a new motor in than put chains in something that is going to blow up down the road.
Maybe it is turning into a Verona situation where we replaced whole engines instead of putting new lifters in the engine becasue it was cheaper to do a motor than it was tear down the current one and repair it
Maybe it is turning into a Verona situation where we replaced whole engines instead of putting new lifters in the engine becasue it was cheaper to do a motor than it was tear down the current one and repair it
I have the same problem with mine. Except the engine light never came on and off. We were driving back from visiting my parents over the holidays and the engine just died in the middle of the highway.
Had it towed to Suzuki dealer and they looked at it. Stated the timing chain had broke and completley damaged the internals of the engine. They are saying its an internal lubrication problem. the vehicle has about 80k on it and the oil was changed when the vehile told me to change it. Synthetic only of course.
I failed to keep all my receipts so I am contacting the garages where it was done. I managed to find a couple of walmart receipts when I bought the oil and filter and brought it to the garage to have them change. i also found a receipt from a garage that is now closed that I used to get my regular maintenence done. Another garage "Paper System" provided me with another receipt when they did it.
So at this point I am fighting to get it repaired under warranty. Been sitting at the dealer for over 2 weeks now. They only cover 6 days rental up to $240 and only if the reapairs are coverd. This is our only vehicle so we had to borrow a family members car.
Lesson learnt for me not keeping the receipts but if this is a known problem why are they giving me soo much of a hassel?
I really liked this vehicle without issues. All I had to do in 2.5 years was regular oil chages, tires of course and new pads and rotors. Now I am not impressed at all with Suzuki knowing they are well aware of this problem and trying to blame me for lack of oil changes. I alos paid for the "Extended PLATNIUM Warranty" when I purchased the vehicle!
Had it towed to Suzuki dealer and they looked at it. Stated the timing chain had broke and completley damaged the internals of the engine. They are saying its an internal lubrication problem. the vehicle has about 80k on it and the oil was changed when the vehile told me to change it. Synthetic only of course.
I failed to keep all my receipts so I am contacting the garages where it was done. I managed to find a couple of walmart receipts when I bought the oil and filter and brought it to the garage to have them change. i also found a receipt from a garage that is now closed that I used to get my regular maintenence done. Another garage "Paper System" provided me with another receipt when they did it.
So at this point I am fighting to get it repaired under warranty. Been sitting at the dealer for over 2 weeks now. They only cover 6 days rental up to $240 and only if the reapairs are coverd. This is our only vehicle so we had to borrow a family members car.
Lesson learnt for me not keeping the receipts but if this is a known problem why are they giving me soo much of a hassel?
I really liked this vehicle without issues. All I had to do in 2.5 years was regular oil chages, tires of course and new pads and rotors. Now I am not impressed at all with Suzuki knowing they are well aware of this problem and trying to blame me for lack of oil changes. I alos paid for the "Extended PLATNIUM Warranty" when I purchased the vehicle!
BS run around by service dept and DSM...
First took my 08 XL-7 in for P0008 code @ 34,000 miles and they blamed it on the Fram oil filter. Said they were breaking down and allowing trash to pass through thus causing blockage and the code... I knew this was BS because that was the only Fram filter that had ever been put on it... So 35,000 miles and hours of compiling data from here and other sites I took it back in and agreed to a pay for a partial tear down if it wasn't covered... They dropped the oil pan and found nothing... Manager said the pick-up screen was clean as a whistle. They agreed to cover replacing the timing chains and stuff but say they won't cover taking the heads off to inspect for blockages(which caused the problem) in which they found the back head had a blockage...
So now my truck is at the dealer torn down waiting on my battle with Customer Relations... My advice to anyone having issues is gather all the info you can concerning your problem and email the links to the service writer and stand your ground, never accept "Not Covered" as an option...
My opinion is the oil life monitor is the cause of everyones problem with the P0008... I've changed their oil according to the book and oil life monitor, on one occasion I put 10,000 miles on it and it still showed 15% left... You can't do that and expect there no be problems... I'll update as the battle ensues...
First took my 08 XL-7 in for P0008 code @ 34,000 miles and they blamed it on the Fram oil filter. Said they were breaking down and allowing trash to pass through thus causing blockage and the code... I knew this was BS because that was the only Fram filter that had ever been put on it... So 35,000 miles and hours of compiling data from here and other sites I took it back in and agreed to a pay for a partial tear down if it wasn't covered... They dropped the oil pan and found nothing... Manager said the pick-up screen was clean as a whistle. They agreed to cover replacing the timing chains and stuff but say they won't cover taking the heads off to inspect for blockages(which caused the problem) in which they found the back head had a blockage...
So now my truck is at the dealer torn down waiting on my battle with Customer Relations... My advice to anyone having issues is gather all the info you can concerning your problem and email the links to the service writer and stand your ground, never accept "Not Covered" as an option...
My opinion is the oil life monitor is the cause of everyones problem with the P0008... I've changed their oil according to the book and oil life monitor, on one occasion I put 10,000 miles on it and it still showed 15% left... You can't do that and expect there no be problems... I'll update as the battle ensues...
Well, after a brief conversation with a very nice lady @ Customer Relations, I got a call from the service manager saying they are going to cover the entire amount... It seems to be a game of, let's see what we can get the customer to pay, so stand your ground. Now let's see how long it's gonna take to get the parts in... If your within a drive of Clarksville, TN I would defiantly recommend calling Rodney @ Mathew's Suzuki. He's a stand up kind of guy and will do everything possible to get your problem resolved.
Good to know. I'm wary of Suzuki of Nashville...it's extremely rinky-dink. They did a LH wheel hub bearing under warranty on our '08 and did OK...the tech there has been around for awhile, so he was ok, but that is one tiny, junky-looking little stealership.
Just out of curiosity, what's the production date on your '08? Ours is late '08 (can't remember exactly), and only has 24K miles, but I'm keeping an eye on it. The tech at the Nashville dealer said he'd done about 15 sets of chains, but all of them were on '07s.
Listen to yiwork and make sure you do not give up. I had to do the same thing. Collect information online (there is no shortage) regarding this issue. They said twice there were not going to cover it until I slapped them with the facts.
My XL7 is still sitting at the dealer. They expect the engine to be here next week somtime but can't confirm....
I asked for the software upgrade!!! Susuki told me to make sure I change my oil about every 8K and to pretty much ignore the software. lol What did you just say?
So 3 weeks without a vehicle and still another 2 - 3 week wait!!!
I am happy they are covering thier mistake but I will be almost 2 months without a vehicle. (The warranty covers for 6 days rental) In what world is this acceptable?
Good luck to those with this problem!
My XL7 is still sitting at the dealer. They expect the engine to be here next week somtime but can't confirm....
I asked for the software upgrade!!! Susuki told me to make sure I change my oil about every 8K and to pretty much ignore the software. lol What did you just say?
So 3 weeks without a vehicle and still another 2 - 3 week wait!!!
I am happy they are covering thier mistake but I will be almost 2 months without a vehicle. (The warranty covers for 6 days rental) In what world is this acceptable?
Good luck to those with this problem!
RHYTHIM, I'm not sure as to the mfg date, i'll post it later... Mine came from Gott's a lil fly by night stealership in Rivergate. They had it a year ago for 4 days trying to fix an issue with the heater and never got it fixed... I wouldn't take a pedal car to those clowns...
XL7NB, I was hoping they would put a new engine in mine, it'll be for sale just as soon as it gets done. I'm done with Suzukis... The lady @ customer relations told me that if the parts were gonna be a while that she would pull some strings to get me a loaner... I'd call them and raise enough hell that they would either quit taking my calls or put me in something, 2 months is ridiculous. reguardless of what they say, I'd change my oil every 3000 miles with Mobile1 synthetic and use the suzuki filter just so that when if happens again you have the upper hand. Make sure they allow you the full 10 yr 100,000 warranty on the new engine...
XL7NB, I was hoping they would put a new engine in mine, it'll be for sale just as soon as it gets done. I'm done with Suzukis... The lady @ customer relations told me that if the parts were gonna be a while that she would pull some strings to get me a loaner... I'd call them and raise enough hell that they would either quit taking my calls or put me in something, 2 months is ridiculous. reguardless of what they say, I'd change my oil every 3000 miles with Mobile1 synthetic and use the suzuki filter just so that when if happens again you have the upper hand. Make sure they allow you the full 10 yr 100,000 warranty on the new engine...
You guys are lucky. I have to hire an attorney. See the below link. They won't even give me a letter denying coverage. They hung up on my wife last night after asking where in the owners manual or warranty book that we need to pay for the diagnostic to find out why the engine failed.
http://www.suzuki-forums.com/2g-2007-xl7/43335-warranty-problems.html
http://www.suzuki-forums.com/2g-2007-xl7/43335-warranty-problems.html
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Does anybody have the partnumbers of the chains that need to be replaced ?
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depends on whether you have 3rd design or 4th design engine..
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