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Massive smoke on start up

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#1 ·
I have a 97 Geo Tracker 2 door 4WD 1.6 16 valve with AC and Automatic.

I bought it with the cam tied up in the head, looks like the PO ran it low on oil. I removed the engine because I wanted to be certain everything below was good before putting a new $500.00 head on top. I disassembled it and thoroughly cleaned it. One of the rods was a bit dark so I had it touched up. I bought a kit that came with new pistons, rings, bearings, oil pump and water pump. I replaced the top and bottom timing gears because the sudden stop when it tied up elongated the alignment holes. I replaced everything else that was replaceable and reinstalled it. It started right up within just a few revolutions and has been running great ever since.

Before I tell you the problem, to maybe save some time, I worked at an automotive machine shop for over 10 years. I've reconditioned hundreds, if not thousands of heads. But, I bought this new head already assembled, and now, looking back on it, I wish I had looked it over a little better. The cylinders had absolutely no ridge at all and the pistons looked almost like new, but since I had new ones I put those in.

Now, when I start it cold, it blows out MASSIVE amounts of whitish oil stinking smoke. I do not believe it is antifreeze because it doesn't have that sweet scent and it does smell like oil. It will continue to smoke a bit until you drive it a bit and then it's clean. Originally I thought it was valve seals. I called the place that did the head and talked to a guy that seemed really knowledgeable. I questioned him on the valve seals and he said that for as much oil that is slung around in the all there time, it should smoke all the time. Makes sense to me.

Then, I remembered it has a vacuum modulator in the trans and it looked original. White smoke, oil smell, 1/2 Qt. low on fluid, hmmm trans fluid burning!! Took off the vacuum line, no oil. Removed the modulator and no oil came out from the hose end. Replaced it anyway and it still smokes as bad as ever.

Now, when you remove the oil cap while it's running it SEEMS to have a significant amount of blow by. BUT, How do you know what is normal and what isn't? I guess it's possible the rings haven't seated yet, but wouldn't that make it smoke all the time?

Did I miss something in the cleaning? Is there something in the valve cover or intake manifold that could be causing this? I unhooked all the hoses, including the main air intake from the motor and there are no signs of oil anywhere?

I'm not sure how to post videos or I could video it in the morning and post it. It's a crazy amount!! But it runs fine otherwise! No misses or stumbles.

I better take a breath now.....:D
 
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#3 ·
Maybe the white smoke is from leaking injector(s) or fuel pressure regulator? If it was sucking oil down the valve guides, wouldn't the smoke be blue?

The '98 Tracker I bought cheap had the issue with a leaking core plug in the top of the head, but that problem dumps coolant directly into the oil and then you get a milkshake. It never did smoke.

If you're not mixing oil and coolant, it wouldn't seem that yours has that problem.

HTH & G'luck.......ed
 
#4 ·
Well, I guess a fuel pressure test is in order, as well as coolant system pressure test, compression test, leakdown test, etc. Testing is diagnostic.
 
#5 ·
Coolant level is fine and the oil is not milky. My buddy's Expedition just had a leaky intake gasket and it smoked white real bad but from many feet away you could smell the sweet antifreeze smell.

Wouldn't too much fuel cause black smoke? The smell is way different between black rich exhaust and this whitish oil smelling smoke.
 
#6 ·
My first Tracker developed this... On initial start up it would smoke like
a Mosquito Fogger then stop. Was working in an Automotive Shop at the
time so we tore it down and found almost zero wear on Cyl Bores and thought
Valve Seals. Changed them and reassembled it was worse. Tore it completely
down and found the Oil Control Rings absolutely seized by Carbon.

Local Machine Shop inspected Bores and said I could just Deglaze and Re-Ring.
Since Parts were so cheap I had them Overbore and put in new Pistons. Drove
that motor for almost 200 000 kms before the dreaded early Block Crack Symdrom claimed it and got a Core Block Bored it and put all the internals in it for another 155 000 kms.

It was an 1989 8 Valve so this might not apply. Just thought I'd mention it as
a possibility.
 
#8 ·
A rebuilt motor shouldn't smoke, I would also suggest checking the PCV valve.
 
#11 ·
I bought my '97 Tracker from Tom Ahl Honda in Findlay a few years back.
 
#13 ·
My 95 Tracker is first start smoker too. Seems like if it sits for more than 3 hours it will smoke on startup. And as you describe, sit and idle, or drive for a bit and its clean.

I would still suspect Valve Stem Seals. And that is what I plan to change on mine once I find the green coded Viton type. I have the red standard type I bought from NAPA but I really want to go in with what i understand to be longer lasting Viton.

I read somewhere , maybe this forum, where a rebuilt head smoked as described and some of the valve stem seals must not have been snapped fully into place around the valve guide and were riding up the valve stem towards the keepers. Again, smoked only on startup.

My theory (and its only a theory) for why we only see smoke at startup, is that engine off, the oil can can trickle down into the combustion chamber and build up an extra amount. When engine starts there is enough of an overload of oil that the mixture smokes. But as the engine runs a bit, the trickle is burned off constantly so there is not enough of a buildup to actually cause smoke.
 
#14 ·
My theory (and its only a theory) for why we only see smoke at startup, is that engine off, the oil can can trickle down into the combustion chamber and build up an extra amount. When engine starts there is enough of an overload of oil that the mixture smokes. But as the engine runs a bit, the trickle is burned off constantly so there is not enough of a buildup to actually cause smoke.
Not a theory...;)
Automotive Valve Seals: Symptoms Smoke at Startup
 
#15 ·
Thanks, Bex.
 
#19 ·
Going to remove the valve cover and either/both clean under the baffle or enlarge the size of the drain holes. Read a thread last night on here that the v6 Suzuki's were having the exact same problem and it ended up being plugged drain holes in the baffle, which doesn't allow the oil that condenses in there to drain out so it gets sucked into the engine through the PCV valve.

Seems to make PERFECT sense!! :D
 
#20 ·
Well......Strike 18!!!

Took the cover off and the baffle doesn't appear to be sealed around the edges like the v6 VC is. I can blow air into both the PVC and the other hole and see oil dripping off around the outside edge of the baffle.

Which is good I guess. :)

But my problem still exists. :(

Don't know whether to take the time to remove the baffle cover and look around underneath or not. It's doesn't surround the spark plug holes so it won't be a sealing issue.

There are no drain holes to enlarge either.
 
#22 ·
This thread is almost 10 years old. If you have an issue with your vehicle, please start your own thread, spec out. Your vehicle, advise your symptoms and what tests, if any, you’ve done to diagnose the problem. Symptoms often appear the same, but their causes can be very different.
 
#23 ·
This is a great thread, I learned a lot.

I too, am a start up only smoker.

I had the door open the other day and wind blew all the smoke right in the cab, i almost passed out lol

definitely not a sweet smelling wonderful smell, smells like burning oil. Which, I do have the dye in it now, gonna check to see where this oil is coming from please God just let it be the oil pan gasket