My 2007 XL7 currently has 80 000 KMS or approx. 50 000 miles. My engine light came on a few weeks ago but would only come on for a short time then go off for a period of time. I checked the code and it came up as a P008, something to do with the crank or cam shaft timing. But since the light was not staying on permanently I thought it might just be a problem with the sensor itself. About 2 weeks later the light came on and stayed on. The truck seemed to be running fine and have not noticed any lack of performance. I brought it to the Suzuki dealer this morning to find out that the timing chains need to be changed. I was told that this is a problem/flaw with these motors. The parts have been ordered and my vehicle will be spending 2-3 days next week. This is all covered under the powertrain warranty. I did ask if I should expect the same problem 80 000 KMS later and they said probably not since they are replacing the parts with what is suppose to better quality parts from Suzuki. I am not impressed at all with this problem and I will probably get rid of this vehicle by next year. I have lost confidence with this vehicle!
Rickard
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suzuki is not even acknowledging that this is a real world issue. i just had my vehicle towed home after sitting for 2 weeks at the "approved dealer" . very frustrated and seeking the district rep....they never moved my vehicle form its parking spot and then this morning the started it and DROVE it onto the tow truck. It was not driveable. I am so afraid they damaged it more.
Lumpylarry
the codes i threw are P0007 P0018 P0017 P0016 P0009 P0603 P0008 P0305 P0301 P0300
related to position for bank 1 and 2 ?misfire in cylinders 1,3,5?
I had the oil changed that day and put in another new battery (2nd one in one year and 3 mo) My oil is clear and pretty! Never had any issues with oil at all.
these guys refuse to address timing chain until oil pan dropped at My cost of $800. I paid an additional $100 for diagnostics that were already done that morning at my mechanic. I am now into it $350 . The car sat in the dirt lot at the Crown Kia dealership for 2 weeks. They never opened the hood after the diagnostics were done. It never moved.
I had it towed home today. Suzuki in California did nothing for me at all. What is logical course here? The car was fine until last thursday when I drove it to get oil changed and it turned over as if it was a blue bird school bus jumping and rocking all over. So demoralized. I have had car ONE year and 3 Months now. It has very low mileage (37 K) . There is something not right here.
the codes i threw are P0007 P0018 P0017 P0016 P0009 P0603 P0008 P0305 P0301 P0300
related to position for bank 1 and 2 ?misfire in cylinders 1,3,5?
I had the oil changed that day and put in another new battery (2nd one in one year and 3 mo) My oil is clear and pretty! Never had any issues with oil at all.
these guys refuse to address timing chain until oil pan dropped at My cost of $800. I paid an additional $100 for diagnostics that were already done that morning at my mechanic. I am now into it $350 . The car sat in the dirt lot at the Crown Kia dealership for 2 weeks. They never opened the hood after the diagnostics were done. It never moved.
I had it towed home today. Suzuki in California did nothing for me at all. What is logical course here? The car was fine until last thursday when I drove it to get oil changed and it turned over as if it was a blue bird school bus jumping and rocking all over. So demoralized. I have had car ONE year and 3 Months now. It has very low mileage (37 K) . There is something not right here.
was your light on before running rough? or just happened all of a sudden?
taking off the valve cover would give a good indication of what happened..
to answer you question, the first 6 codes are related to timing correlation, except the 0603, thats a computer communication code, the last ones are misfires in the front bank.
if you're lucky you may just need chains, but we need to check for possible valve damage.
taking off the valve cover would give a good indication of what happened..
to answer you question, the first 6 codes are related to timing correlation, except the 0603, thats a computer communication code, the last ones are misfires in the front bank.
if you're lucky you may just need chains, but we need to check for possible valve damage.
Yes the lights lit up that afternoon all across the dash. Engine light had not been flashing or giving me any indication of problem. I went out at 3 to go to shop to leave it for oil change and when i started it , it sound rough and it was shaking and rocking. I hesitantly drove to shop and told them. They ran diagnostics. changed oil and new battery. When I picked it up it was worse than before and I did not dare drive it. I had it flat bedded to dealer where it sat for 2 weeks while they plied me with oil pan matter that would not be covered my suzuki and cost me $800. They never opened the hood. They said Friday whjen we asked what valve they believed was dirty and they said they had pictures. We asked for the pictures. They agreed. As of today, Monday, they still have not sent (reportedly they sent to Suzuki) because their technicians "cell phone is fluky". How do I find the district rep?
I am considering the other dealer but it looks like they are owned by the same company as the first. This car should not have these problems at this level of mileage.
I am considering the other dealer but it looks like they are owned by the same company as the first. This car should not have these problems at this level of mileage.
This actually happened to me. Someone close by took theirs out of a shop and brought it to my house. There were a bunch of bolts and a few parts missing. Luckily I had some spare parts and got her running the same day.
The original mechanic still charged $1000 for taking it apart and wouldn't release the car until paid in full.
Most shops won't even take on a job like that. Nobody want to get into a can of worms that someone else opened.
If you can find someone that'll do it, expect to pay $1000-1500.
The original mechanic still charged $1000 for taking it apart and wouldn't release the car until paid in full.
Most shops won't even take on a job like that. Nobody want to get into a can of worms that someone else opened.
If you can find someone that'll do it, expect to pay $1000-1500.
I can't understand how a shop can start a job, not be competent enough to finish, and still charge money for taking it apart when there's a chance they did more harm than good by taking it apart..
It boggles my mind.
It boggles my mind.
To install the first 2 chains the dot on the crank gear must line up with the mark at the bottom of the case.
Near the 6:00 position.
And the flat cam tool on those cams.
Near the 6:00 position.
And the flat cam tool on those cams.
finished putting everything back together today. engine mounts gave us more trouble than anything else. Timing parts went in pretty smoothly. We were constantly checking the diagrams.
Added oil, coolant, and power steering fluid. Primed the fuel system and started it up on the first try. Engine sounded bad and dashboard says "oil pressure low. Stop Engine." My guess is sludge and dirty settled at the bottom of the crankcase and gummed it up.
I'm going back in the morning to drain the oil and change the filter. I may do it twice.
Should I go remove the oil pan and clean that out too?
Added oil, coolant, and power steering fluid. Primed the fuel system and started it up on the first try. Engine sounded bad and dashboard says "oil pressure low. Stop Engine." My guess is sludge and dirty settled at the bottom of the crankcase and gummed it up.
I'm going back in the morning to drain the oil and change the filter. I may do it twice.
Should I go remove the oil pan and clean that out too?
Oil pan is a huge job as well. Timing cover would need to come off again.
Try fresh oil first.
If that doesn't work then yea you'll need to tak off the covers anyway. Good time to double check the timing.
Try fresh oil first.
If that doesn't work then yea you'll need to tak off the covers anyway. Good time to double check the timing.
Maybe the oil pump lost its prime..
spin the engine over with fuel and ignition cut...
... Philip
spin the engine over with fuel and ignition cut...
... Philip
You were able to spin the engine freely a couple times before putting the covers back on yea?
I have never seen an oil pump fail on these engines. They are a pretty strong pump.
But there is first time for everything.
I HAVE seen the pick-ups completely plugged though.
If you have a borescope camera you may be able to see without pulling the pan.
But there is first time for everything.
I HAVE seen the pick-ups completely plugged though.
If you have a borescope camera you may be able to see without pulling the pan.
So I'm contemplating doing this job. I am wondering how much of the upper engine has to be removed in order to replace the chains/tensioners?
My g'fs 07 has classic symptoms of chain strech/bad tensioners. In our case, the car is less than the 100K, but is over the 7 year time mark. So no warranty for me, and I did attempt to escalate to Suzuki america, but they didn't want to even talk to me.
I asked the dealer to give me a quote for the work and they quoted about $1300, which included ten hours of labor and $250 in parts. I was expecting much more for this job. I have decent mechanical skills, and this is second vehicle, so I don't have to get it done quickly. I am a bit nervous about messing around with timing and such.
Please advise!
My g'fs 07 has classic symptoms of chain strech/bad tensioners. In our case, the car is less than the 100K, but is over the 7 year time mark. So no warranty for me, and I did attempt to escalate to Suzuki america, but they didn't want to even talk to me.
I asked the dealer to give me a quote for the work and they quoted about $1300, which included ten hours of labor and $250 in parts. I was expecting much more for this job. I have decent mechanical skills, and this is second vehicle, so I don't have to get it done quickly. I am a bit nervous about messing around with timing and such.
Please advise!
Timing chain problem
This might or might not help you but I drove my XL7 35k miles before the chain finally broke. Check engine light came on at about 100k miles and finally broke at 137k miles while starting it. Engine is a piece of crap. I always changed the oil when the oil life monitor got down to about 20% oil life left. Engine burned oil, about a quart every 1000 miles and it was down to 500 miles just before the chain broke. The reason I did not fix it was because at that time it was over 2k to replace the chains. This was when these engines first started showing this problem and Suzuki wanted a fortune to replace the chain.
This might or might not help you but I drove my XL7 35k miles before the chain finally broke. Check engine light came on at about 100k miles and finally broke at 137k miles while starting it. Engine is a piece of crap. I always changed the oil when the oil life monitor got down to about 20% oil life left. Engine burned oil, about a quart every 1000 miles and it was down to 500 miles just before the chain broke. The reason I did not fix it was because at that time it was over 2k to replace the chains. This was when these engines first started showing this problem and Suzuki wanted a fortune to replace the chain.
I'm curious, when people have trouble with a car and they say they are going to "fix it and get rid of it"... how does one get rid of a problem-plagued car? Do you sell it? To another person? If so, do you tell them all the problems you had and that you are getting rid of it because it is unreliable and you think it will break down again soon? :huh: Do you tell the buyer, "this car is such as POS I will take $50 for it, good luck" ?
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