My 2007 XL7 currently has 80 000 KMS or approx. 50 000 miles. My engine light came on a few weeks ago but would only come on for a short time then go off for a period of time. I checked the code and it came up as a P008, something to do with the crank or cam shaft timing. But since the light was not staying on permanently I thought it might just be a problem with the sensor itself. About 2 weeks later the light came on and stayed on. The truck seemed to be running fine and have not noticed any lack of performance. I brought it to the Suzuki dealer this morning to find out that the timing chains need to be changed. I was told that this is a problem/flaw with these motors. The parts have been ordered and my vehicle will be spending 2-3 days next week. This is all covered under the powertrain warranty. I did ask if I should expect the same problem 80 000 KMS later and they said probably not since they are replacing the parts with what is suppose to better quality parts from Suzuki. I am not impressed at all with this problem and I will probably get rid of this vehicle by next year. I have lost confidence with this vehicle!
Rickard
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It's tough to get rid of sludge if it's there..
But for the next few oil changes, before you change the oil add a liter of automatic transmission fluid into the oil and run it hard for 10 minutes before dumping the oil..
But for the next few oil changes, before you change the oil add a liter of automatic transmission fluid into the oil and run it hard for 10 minutes before dumping the oil..
So i put a total of 1.75 quarts in it. not sure of the total amount in it.
took it for a spin around the block. MUCH improvment. Alot less hesitation.
But its still there to some degree.
So in the morning i will drain as much oil as i can.
refill with 5.5 qts and a new filter.
and i will report back as soon i have something to report!
I cant thank you enough for your help lumpylarry.
took it for a spin around the block. MUCH improvment. Alot less hesitation.
But its still there to some degree.
So in the morning i will drain as much oil as i can.
refill with 5.5 qts and a new filter.
and i will report back as soon i have something to report!
I cant thank you enough for your help lumpylarry.
If they can reproduce the hessitation, that would be a start. Worst case, there is a record the problem happening in the system.
Have you gone through all the maintenance items? Check the air filter for obstructions, etc.
Have all your bases covered before they come back and try to blame it on you (not saying that it will happen).
There is a TSB about transmission oil leak, the hessitation could be the clutches slipping.
Does the problem happens in the morning/afternoon, engine cold/warm etc. What I mean is, have you found a pattern?
Have you gone through all the maintenance items? Check the air filter for obstructions, etc.
Have all your bases covered before they come back and try to blame it on you (not saying that it will happen).
There is a TSB about transmission oil leak, the hessitation could be the clutches slipping.
Does the problem happens in the morning/afternoon, engine cold/warm etc. What I mean is, have you found a pattern?
2008 Suzuki XL7 Timing Chain
I have a used XL7 just under 100k miles. I have had the check engine light on for awhile now. I got the code P0008 the first place I took it and they replaced an O2 sensor. It went off for about a day and came back on. Now I had a new garage look at it and they tried to desludge my oil and turned off the light, only for it to come back on. Have inspection due at the end of Sept and they said I need to have the timing chains replaced.
Any words of advice?
I noticed that some people used the GM chains because they match up and are cheaper, is this true?
Can they check anything else that may be causing this issue?
The car is one payment from payoff, so I would like to go w/out a payment for awhile, plus I like my car, so not planning on getting rid of it anytime soon. I would just hate to dump money into it to find out his isn't the real issue.
Thanks for any advice!
I have a used XL7 just under 100k miles. I have had the check engine light on for awhile now. I got the code P0008 the first place I took it and they replaced an O2 sensor. It went off for about a day and came back on. Now I had a new garage look at it and they tried to desludge my oil and turned off the light, only for it to come back on. Have inspection due at the end of Sept and they said I need to have the timing chains replaced.
Any words of advice?
I noticed that some people used the GM chains because they match up and are cheaper, is this true?
Can they check anything else that may be causing this issue?
The car is one payment from payoff, so I would like to go w/out a payment for awhile, plus I like my car, so not planning on getting rid of it anytime soon. I would just hate to dump money into it to find out his isn't the real issue.
Thanks for any advice!
You need to replace 3 timing chains.
If you're already opening it up, it's recommended to also replace tensioners plus associated gaskets.
If you're already opening it up, it's recommended to also replace tensioners plus associated gaskets.
There are 2 styles of chains for that engine.
The bicycle style 3rd design or silent type 4th design.
I have complete sets of both including chains, tensioners, guides gaskets and seals.
If you can find out which style you have and are interested, send me a PM.
The bicycle style 3rd design or silent type 4th design.
I have complete sets of both including chains, tensioners, guides gaskets and seals.
If you can find out which style you have and are interested, send me a PM.
GM Part numbers of silent type chains are as follows:
12633451
12633452
Secondary GM part numbers:
12616608
12616809
Both are suitable to Suzuki XL7 with LY7 motor type (silent chains), but the second pack is the same poor quality as first time mounted by GM/Suzuki and that is the source of our problems with chains.
So in about 2009 GM released the 12622451/2 chains, I hope, better quality.
Gerard
12633451
12633452
Secondary GM part numbers:
12616608
12616809
Both are suitable to Suzuki XL7 with LY7 motor type (silent chains), but the second pack is the same poor quality as first time mounted by GM/Suzuki and that is the source of our problems with chains.
So in about 2009 GM released the 12622451/2 chains, I hope, better quality.
Gerard
Thanks for all your advice! I ended up taking it back to the dealership that I bought my car from and that also specialize in Suzuki work. They replaced all 3 timing belts/chains and got it covered under warranty, since my car is under 100,000. I would suggest that anyone with a similair car, that they have the car inspected pre 100,000 miles, just in case!
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
You can do something about this!! code
0008 Timing Chain
We as Suzuki owners do not have to sit back and fork out thousands of dollars for this costly repair. Suzuki is responsible!! Suzuki shares a plant in Ontario, Canada with GM. This is the plant that manufactures both the Suzuki Xl7 and the Arcadia. Suzuki Xl7 has a GM engine. GM has long ago stepped up to the plate and both acknowledged the problem with the timing chains, and issued a Special Coverage for vehicle owners to get it fixed. Suzuki has pocketed our money and left us to fend for ourselves. We as vehicle owners DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THIS!!! The NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration)is in charge of recalls, Special Coverage issuance, and Safety issues. They can make Suzuki address the issue of these defective timing chains which will eventually cause engine failure. below I am posting an insert from the HHTSA website, which tells you how to file your complaint. WE NEED TO STICK TOGETHER ON THIS IF WE WANT TO SEE RESULTS!!! PLEASE SHARE THIS INFORMATION.
If you think your vehicle or equipment may have a safety defect, reporting it to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is an important first step to take to get the situation remedied and make our roads safer. If the agency receives similar reports from a number of people about the same product, this could indicate that a safety-related defect may exist that would warrant the opening of an investigation. In order to make it convenient for consumers to report any suspected safety defects to NHTSA, the agency offers three ways to file such complaints. Please go to the Report Your Safety Complaint page on the safercar.gov website.
0008 Timing ChainWe as Suzuki owners do not have to sit back and fork out thousands of dollars for this costly repair. Suzuki is responsible!! Suzuki shares a plant in Ontario, Canada with GM. This is the plant that manufactures both the Suzuki Xl7 and the Arcadia. Suzuki Xl7 has a GM engine. GM has long ago stepped up to the plate and both acknowledged the problem with the timing chains, and issued a Special Coverage for vehicle owners to get it fixed. Suzuki has pocketed our money and left us to fend for ourselves. We as vehicle owners DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THIS!!! The NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration)is in charge of recalls, Special Coverage issuance, and Safety issues. They can make Suzuki address the issue of these defective timing chains which will eventually cause engine failure. below I am posting an insert from the HHTSA website, which tells you how to file your complaint. WE NEED TO STICK TOGETHER ON THIS IF WE WANT TO SEE RESULTS!!! PLEASE SHARE THIS INFORMATION.
If you think your vehicle or equipment may have a safety defect, reporting it to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is an important first step to take to get the situation remedied and make our roads safer. If the agency receives similar reports from a number of people about the same product, this could indicate that a safety-related defect may exist that would warrant the opening of an investigation. In order to make it convenient for consumers to report any suspected safety defects to NHTSA, the agency offers three ways to file such complaints. Please go to the Report Your Safety Complaint page on the safercar.gov website.
Apparently GM knew about the timing chain problems in these engines from when they were new. A TSB was issued for many of the GM cars and trucks using the LY7 engine, note date of TSB in 2007 and the newer TSB from 2/2010. Suzuki denies any knowledge of these.
11340 02/01/2010 10043857 Gm: special coverage adjustment- timing chain wear. on some 2007 model year vehicles that are equipped with a 2.8l/3.6l v6 engine (lp1/ly7), under certain driving conditions, and with the vehicle's original oil change intervals, the timing 2012-04-30
Read more: http://www.faqs.org/car/saturn-outlook-2007/engine/#ixzz2rwbU9xpg
Date Reported:
AUGUST 01 2007
NHTSA Reference:
#10022931
TSB Reference:
#070601014
Description: LY7 MIL/DTC'S P0016, P0017, P0018 OR P0019 - STRETCHED PRIMARY DRIVE AND BOTH SECONDARY DRIVE TIMING CHAINS (REPLACE PRIMARY DRIVE AND BOTH SECONDARY DRIVE TIMING CHAINS). *NJ
11340 02/01/2010 10043857 Gm: special coverage adjustment- timing chain wear. on some 2007 model year vehicles that are equipped with a 2.8l/3.6l v6 engine (lp1/ly7), under certain driving conditions, and with the vehicle's original oil change intervals, the timing 2012-04-30
Read more: http://www.faqs.org/car/saturn-outlook-2007/engine/#ixzz2rwbU9xpg
Date Reported:
AUGUST 01 2007
NHTSA Reference:
#10022931
TSB Reference:
#070601014
Description: LY7 MIL/DTC'S P0016, P0017, P0018 OR P0019 - STRETCHED PRIMARY DRIVE AND BOTH SECONDARY DRIVE TIMING CHAINS (REPLACE PRIMARY DRIVE AND BOTH SECONDARY DRIVE TIMING CHAINS). *NJ
Some info from safercar.gov
Notice the date on this one. They finally admitted a problem, but its only and advisory that timing chains are available. What a bunch of BS.
Service Bulletin 360986 for Suzuki (PWS) | AutoMD
Suzuki Xl7 (pws) Service Bulletin 360986
NHTSA Item Number: 10052514 Service Bulletin Number: SI-0012-R
Date of Bulletin: Jun 14, 2013 Component: (pws)
Notice the date on this one. They finally admitted a problem, but its only and advisory that timing chains are available. What a bunch of BS.
Service Bulletin 360986 for Suzuki (PWS) | AutoMD
Suzuki Xl7 (pws) Service Bulletin 360986
NHTSA Item Number: 10052514 Service Bulletin Number: SI-0012-R
Date of Bulletin: Jun 14, 2013 Component: (pws)
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