[lawmanruiz]

OK, I will have a look tomorrow. The cars are stored at my work place at the moment. It will at least help to identify if they are the same obd standards.
Theoretically, swapping the glow plugs over would fix that problem though?, as with any other parts that are different between the 2 engines.
The main question that is bothering me is whether the 2004 ecu would run the 2003 engine. Some diesel engines require the injectors and high pressure pump to be coded to the ecu but I don't know about these RHW hdi engines as I don't have the suzuki supplement for them.
It doesn't mention anything in the older RHZ supplement but that may of changed.
I am pretty sure that it can done and will work, it's just nice to know exactly how much work it is going to take beforehand really.
Thanks for your reply and I will check the glow plugs and report back tomorrow.

If respective cars are equipped with immobilizer(s) then you cannot swap out. Cars below 2009 would not need 'coding' of injectors or hdi pump . ECU will 'learn' the injectors..Swapping glow plugs maybe tricky due to ob vs ob11 config(also previously mentioned in the thread). If glow plugs register its acceptable resistive value then leave them alone .Based on how long they've been in there ,its very possible to get the body screwed out but the tip remains in the cylinder head.

 

[2013GV]

If respective cars are equipped with immobilizer(s) then you cannot swap out. Cars below 2009 would not need 'coding' of injectors or hdi pump . ECU will 'learn' the injectors..Swapping glow plugs maybe tricky due to ob vs ob11 config(also previously mentioned in the thread). If glow plugs register its acceptable resistive value then leave them alone .Based on how long they've been in there ,its very possible to get the body screwed out but the tip remains in the cylinder head.

I think you are incorrect. Immobilisers are part of the ECM / BCM / TCM and security module, not part of the engine itself.

You can swap injectors and they will run, but the "coding" determines the correct operation for best performance and economy. The Peugeot engines require coding if you want correct operation immediately.
If your statement was true then how can I fit a brand new set of injectors to a 2012 D4D powered Toyota and it starts right up? Doesn't run right until coded, but it starts and runs.

 

[lawmanruiz]

If respective cars are equipped with immobilizer(s) then you cannot swap out. Cars below 2009 would not need 'coding' of injectors or hdi pump . ECU will 'learn' the injectors..Swapping glow plugs maybe tricky due to ob vs ob11 config(also previously mentioned in the thread). If glow plugs register its acceptable resistive value then leave them alone .Based on how long they've been in there ,its very possible to get the body screwed out but the tip remains in the cylinder head.

PS- Ive used a company in the UK as a ECU supplier and have gotten a 'virginized' ECU thats plug N' Play .Its minus the immobilizer codes . If permitted by the moderator ,I can give the name of them.

 

[lawmanruiz]

I think you are incorrect. Immobilisers are part of the ECM / BCM / TCM and security module, not part of the engine itself.

You can swap injectors and they will run, but the "coding" determines the correct operation for best performance and economy. The Peugeot engines require coding if you want correct operation immediately.
If your statement was true then how can I fit a brand new set of injectors to a 2012 D4D powered Toyota and it starts right up? Doesn't run right until coded, but it starts and runs.

You're incorrect their is a control box for the Immobilizer but its synced with the ecu. Just think about it for a min.-Injectors before 2009 its an easy deal but those thereafter will do as you said .

 

[2013GV]

You're incorrect their is a control box for the Immobilizer but its synced with the ecu. Just think about it for a min.-Injectors before 2009 its an easy deal but those thereafter will do as you said .

I know theres is a control box for the immobiliser, its called the security module (like i said in my previous post) and yes, its synced with the ECM, TCM, and BCM and even the SRS module as well in some vehicles. I have no end of problems when people think they can just swap a module to test things and then wonder why nothing works and it ends up in my shop.

The o/p is not dealing with any of these modules, only with the engine block itself.

In this case the engine only is being swapped, not any of the control modules so there are no security issues. Injectors, even on the new DID petrol engines are "coded" but its not a security issue, its a "correct operation for economy and performance" issue. Some require coding to operate correctly, some, like the Suzuki Peugeot diesels, will auto learn.

The Glow plug control is the only different thing between the 2 engines, as long as the control wiring for the glow plugs is swapped between engines i.e the loom on the engine itself (and glow plugs if necessary, and I suspect they are the same) then the new engine will run as all the other peripheral sensors are the same.
Its the same block, head, turbo, etc. Only thing thats different is the glow plug control system. ECM won't even know another engines fitted apart from giving the wrong firing info to the injectors until it sorts itself out and adapts.

 

[Vitarajim]

The glow plugs in both engines look identical with the EOBD version having individual wires screwed to the top of each plug as opposed to a bar screwed across all the plugs in the 2003 engine.
The plugs were changed in 2013 on the 2003 engine and I have never had a problem with it so I guess that they are still operating within spec but I will check them when the engine removed.
The service manual mentions nothing about coding the injectors, just replace if faulty whereas with a 2003 Ford tdci they state categorically that new injectors need their respective codes entering to the ecu. And the Ford won't run or start without it as the injectors don't have enough adjustment range to be able adapt without it. That's why they were known to be so much trouble.Ford use a peugeot engine now in my current 2012 mondeo.
Never had a workshop manual that doesn't specify all the procedures required to repair the car. It's not a haynes.
Where would the codes be located on the peugeot injectors, they are on the back of the Ford ones. I know that the
Would diagnostic software be required to read them from the ecu?
I am not changing the ecu or keys or airbags or abs or anything, just the engine and gearbox.

 

[2013GV]

The "codes" are actually the individual serial numbers on the injectors. Yours will run and adjust on either set. You require a Suzuki scan tool to re-code the new ones into the ECU if you really want to do it.

Fords have always been an issue as you say, not a security issue, just the ECU not having the ability to adjust to the new injectors. Most manufacturers seem to be able to produce injectors that will fit and adjust, but not Ford.

As for the glow plugs, I am pretty sure they are the same, but individually controlled on the EOBD engine. As long as you wire them on the replacement engine to match whats on the one being removed it will be fine. should be a relatively simple bolt in swap. Quickest way to check glow plugs is to remove wires / supply bar and measure resistance. If they are the same then no need to change them.
Changing injectors, good luck with that, they weld in and take forever to get out as others have found out. Leave them alone and let it adapt.

 

[Vitarajim]

Yes, that is what I thought with the injectors. I imagine there is a similar problem to the Renault traffic/vauxhall vivaro where water runs on to the top of the engine and the heating cooling cycle weld the injector casing to the head. Not fun too remove. I don't intend to touch them at all?, just theorising possible problems and solutions that i hope not to encounter/Need.

 

[2013GV]

with these pug engines, its diesel leakage back up from the nozzle past the head sealing washer and oil from the valve cover that welds them in. Well, more like the carbon residue welds them in. You can get them out with a lot of penetrating oil, diesel and brute force. And a decent crows foot spanner.

If you need to do them, or the glow plugs, do them with the engine out, same for any belts etc, better off doing them now when you can get to them rather than later and risk a visit from the local constabulary because of the language you are using at high volume.

 

[Vitarajim]

Yes, that is what I was thinking too. Going to give it a full overhaul. The cam belt, tensioner, waterpump and front pulleys were all replaced about 30,000 miles /5 years ago so I was hoping to just replace the belt for peace of mind as rubber deterioates with age if everything checks out ok. I only do approx 5000 miles a year in it so it should be OK for a few years then. Between the 2 cars most things have been renewed in the past few years, recon turbo, new starter and generator, shocks, springs, brake calipers etc. Full service every year as it is not expensive as I do the work myself.
They will probably ban it from the roads for being too polluting before it's ready for the knackers yard ?.

 

[2013GV]

belts for sure. If everything else is in good condition, shout it an oil and filter change too, man thats so easy when its hanging in the air hehe. Give it a good degrease too so its clean when it goes in. Silly things I know, but it does make it nicer to work on in the future, and any issues easier to spot.

 

[Vitarajim]

Yes, I will give it a good clean. I think it is fairly common to not tighten the oil filter enough as it is such a pain to change in situ.i had to by the correct size cup spanner to fit over the end of the filter as no room for the belt type to work. It explained why the starter motor was covered in oil when I changed it.

 

[2013GV]

i make sure everythings clean, no old filter seal left in place, oil the new filter seal, spin on till seal contacts block then turn 1/2 turn more with fingertips. Cup tools are good if you can get them. I have a universal "claw" style that works well and is the same depth as a cup type, slip it on, 3/8 ratchet in the hole on the end and turn.

 

[Shaunwill]

OK, thanks Darrell. If you can find the RHW supplement then that would be really helpful.
I could always swap the injectors if need be I guess but I don't know how easily they would come out. I changed 4 on my Ford Mondeo before but the my vitara has always run great so I have never needed to get any diagnostic software for it.

Thanks for the info 2013GV, I was hoping that as the RHW is a peugeot customer engine that they would make it as "plug and play" as possible.The less I need to swap over the better really?.
The 2003GV was my car until rust killed it last mot?. The 2004 GV was my father in laws car which was never good mechanically but the bodywork is excellent with very little rust. Unfortunately for them the timing belt snapped so they got another car and gave me their GV in return for fixing their new car.
That's why want to make 1 GV from 2. I am not a mechanic and don't work in a garage but I have a workshop that I can do the work in over weekends.
The engine is almost ready to come out of the 2004GV, just didn't want to take it further in case I found some insurmountable problem and needed to get someone else to do it ??.

Thanks for everyone's help so far

Hi there
Did you find a RHW wiring supplement in the end . If so could you please give me details
Regards
Shaun

 

[Gavmck]

I've had another go

hi I’m a new member is there any chance you could send me the manual? I have a 2004 grand Vitara rhw engine. The jeep suddenly wouldn’t start last week and is not showing no fault codes. It’s the Bosch Ecu 3 plug. Thanks

 

[Solviken]

hi I’m a new member is there any chance you could send me the manual? I have a 2004 grand Vitara rhw engine. The jeep suddenly wouldn’t start last week and is not showing no fault codes. It’s the Bosch Ecu 3 plug. Thanks

I have the Workshop manual for RHW engine, Just msg me your email and i can send it to you.

 

[cmac91000]

I have the Workshop manual for RHW engine, Just msg me your email and i can send it to you.

This may be a bit cheeky but I have been trying to locate this manual for over a week on Ebay and the internet.
Is there any chance you could send a copy to me please?
cmac91000@aol.com

Thanks

 

[calismasteagy]

Hi, I am trying to find somewhere I can obtain the workshop manual covering the 2003-2005 grand vitara with the 2.0 Hdi RHW engine. I have the manuals leading up to this date but am finding it impossible to locate this supplement.
Does anyone know where can get a copy? I would happily buy one.

I have 2 grand vitara, a 2003 and 2004 model. Both have the 2.0 hdi RHW engine fitted but the 2004 model has a slightly different reference on the vin chassis plate.
The 2003 is listed as something like LJN96TF02
THE 2004 is listed as something like LJN96TG02.
I was hoping to swap the 2003 engine and box into the 2004 chassis as the engine and box in that car are broken(cam belt failure and whiney box) and need to know what if anything is different between them to make suzuki list them differently.
Any info would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance and for reading this post,
Vitara Jim, noobie

DID YOU GET THE WORKSHOP MANUAL IM LOOKING FOR THIS ALSO HAD MY HEAD GASKET CHANGED AN CANNOT FIND THE TIMING TO GET IT STARTED

 

[2013GV]

DID YOU GET THE WORKSHOP MANUAL IM LOOKING FOR THIS ALSO HAD MY HEAD GASKET CHANGED AN CANNOT FIND THE TIMING TO GET IT STARTED

STOP SHOUTING

I hope you haven't tried turning it over yet.

 

[filipe.o.assuncao]

Didn't read all anders but I'm think rhz is 8v and rhw is 16v