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#1 ·
Does anyone have info on the tire pressure sensor for a 2011 kizashi?

I'd like to know if Suzuki makes a kit for their TPS or is it one unit as I was told. I recently had the seal below the steam go bad - slow leak - and was told that that little 50 cent o-ring would cost me $206 plus labor because there is no kit to replace parts; I had to buy the sensor and everything for my tire to stop leaking. Not a happy camper.

I was told this failure would not be covered by warranty either - 11,000 miles on the vehicle. Very unhappy camper.

Love the kizashi, but I am starting to hate Suzuki and their very poor dealership availability!
 
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#2 ·
I fear the same problem at some point, as I hear it is common with TPMS. I have found TireRack reps very helpful in addressing TPMS questions. Perhaps you might start here: Tire Tech Information - Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems Servicing I have also seen people asking TPMS seal questions at auto part stores, so they're probably knowledgeable. My overall impression is that a tire place can replace the TPMS seal, but may not be able to get the TPMS signal re-correlated (if that is necessary). I would not initially rely on the dealer for answers to these questions since they're more tire-related, not car related.
 
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#4 ·
Ok, so the link pasting has a mind of its own. Here is the info from Tire Rack below (you can find better on the TireRack site itself):

Tire Tech Information/General Tire Information
Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems Servicing

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You may want to take a copy of this article to the service center when replacing the tires on your vehicle or when having its tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) serviced. It might provide some tips not covered by the tire changer's normal service procedures.

Since TPMS is a relatively recent addition to most vehicles, let the service center personnel know your vehicle is equipped with TPMS, which type of system it has, as well as if you have added aftermarket TPMS.

The presence of standard rubber valves in the wheels normally indicates the vehicle uses an indirect tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) that compares tire revolutions when the vehicle is in motion by monitoring the ABS speed sensors.

However, beginning with the 2007 model year, some vehicles have begun using a rubber valve stem direct TPMS that is hard to distinguish visually from a standard rubber valve stem.
Can you easily identify which rubber tire valve stem shown below
is attached to the tire pressure monitoring sensor?

(Roll your mouse across the pictures to find out if you were right.)
TPMS Photo

Only the rubber TPMS valve's resistance to gentle bending confirms its design.

The presence of aluminum valve stems (shown below left) bolted through the wheels normally indicates the vehicle uses a direct TPMS in which pressure sensors/transmitters are attached to the wheels.
Aluminum Valve Sensor Ford Banded Sensor
Aluminum Valve Sensor
Ford Banded Sensor

However some earlier Corvettes and recent Ford vehicles have direct tire pressure monitors (shown above right) banded to their wheels.

If a direct TPMS system is in use and the air pressure has been released from the tire, the aluminum tire valve (along with its attached tire pressure sensor) should be unbolted and allowed to gently "drop" into the still-mounted tire and wheel. This will help protect the tire pressure sensors (some exceeding $200 each when purchased from the new car dealer) from being broken during bead loosening and tire dismounting.

The tire should be removed from the wheel following the tire machine's instructions. Click here for run-flat tire mounting tips.
TPMS Replacement Parts for Clamp-In Sensors

Whenever aluminum TPMS sensors are removed from a wheel, the sensor should be fitted with a new rubber grommet (also called an o-ring or seal), aluminum retaining nut, special nickel-plated valve core and valve cap (shown below).

Rubber grommet, special nickel-plated valve core and aluminum retaining nut
Rubber Grommet, Aluminum Retaining Nut, Special Nickel-Plated Valve Core and O.E. Valve Cap

It is important that all components be torqued to appropriate values to prevent air leaks. Attempting to reuse the original rubber grommet, valve core and retaining nut may result in an air leak. Additionally, it is important to retain the original aluminum TPMS sensor's type valve cap.

Note: A standard brass valve core (shown below right) used in an aluminum tire pressure sensor valve stem will experience galvanic corrosion and the brass valve core will eventually seize in the valve's aluminum barrel.
Nickel-Plated Valve Core
Brass Valve Core
Nickel-Plated Valve Cores Brass Valve Core

Only special nickel-plated valve cores (shown above left) should be used in aluminum tire pressure sensor valve stems.
Replacement Parts for Rubber Snap-in Valve Based Sensors

Whenever a rubber snap-in valve based TPMS sensor is removed from a wheel, it should be replaced with new rubber snap-in valve designed to accept a TPMS sensor. Attempting to reuse the original rubber snap-in valve and valve core may result in an air leak.
TPMS Compatible Rubber Snap-In Valve includes Sensor Retaining Screw, Valve Core and Valve Cap
TPMS Compatible Rubber Snap-In Valve includes Sensor Retaining Nut, Valve Core and Valve Cap

It is important that the TPMS sensor retaining screw (nut) be torqued to the appropriate value.
 
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#6 ·
Hey Chaz, Thanks for the links and input. Still not sure if I was taken for a ride:( Parts kit would make sense to me. $248 to have that thing replaced...that is just crazy expensive when all it needed was a grommet!

My own fault...the leak was so slow for the longest time. It had leaked since I purchased, but never got around to taking the ride to the dealer and besides I thought I just had a pinhole, or the tire might not be seated properly. Never occurred to me that it might be leaking around the stem and require the sensor assembly to be replaced - just crazy.

The dealer so much as told me that they had gotten burned on warranty reimbursement from Suzuki, so they said I must have damaged the stem and it was my fault. My tire guys, that I have dealt with for years, looked at it and said there was nothing wrong with the stem - screwed! They said most sensors have a kit for replacing parts for about $35. Not a happy camper!
 
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#7 ·
With Suzuki, the dealer's interpretation of the warranty is never "the final answer." Read the warranties language and arm yourself with a positive interpretation. Encourage the dealer to run the situation by Suzuki's regional warranty administration office. I'd bet dollars to donuts you will get relief. Even if it is not covered, Suzuki should pay anyway. But the TPSM causing leakage situation being so common, over many brands, surely we will all have the problem later if not sooner.
 
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#8 ·
I got a call from the dealer's customer service team a day ago in which they hoped my experience was positive and I would be back for service in the future. Right now I am deciding if I want to wage an all out campaign against them and Suzuki or not. I've owned 15 cars and this is the most abused I've ever felt. The Kizashi is nice car, which is why I purchased it, but if every service is going to cost more than 7 times a normal fix I'm going to regret my purchase.

Thanks for the good advice and info. I'll put my webpage construction and snail mail(s) to Suzuki on hold for now and try to get the dealer's customer service to do the right thing and at least submit my claim for warranty coverage, but if that gets me nowhere: webpage, letters, utube...I'll think of some more ways to get back 7 times my level of frustration and abuse.

Thanks again.
 
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#9 ·
Welcome. I'm not making these recommendations without experience. In 2007 or 2008, I had (still own) a 2002 XL-7 (purchased three-years used by the way) into a dealer for a recall item. They detected a leaky seal of some sort and gave me a $1000-plus estimate to replace it. They also advised that it would not be covered under warranty. I asked, "what about the 7-year 100,000 drive train warranty?" They said that those warranties don't cover leaky seals. I said, I know Ford and other manufacturers would not cover (they were mainly a Ford dealer), but do try Suzuki. "And let me know what the response is." They were very reluctant to contact Suzuki but did so under the guise of "well the customer insists that we contact you." Well, sure enough, Suzuki responded nicely and covered the repair. Didn't cover any loaner, but that only comes during the first three years (and I didn't need one).
With the TPMS, I don't know, the warranty may be a separately excluded item. But I would stress the bumper-to-bumper feature of the three year warranty. That's a pretty strong argument, unless they can come up with specific language against coverage.
 
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#10 ·
Here's a link (if it pastes correctly) to a discussion on the KizashiClub website. It includes a description of a successful warranty claim to Suzuki on a TPMS problem. Note that the Suzuki bumper to bumper excludes tires (they are covered by the tire manufacturer), but I guess the question is whether the Suzuki warranty also excludes TPMS. If it does not so exclude, you should have TPMS coverage for 3-years/36000 miles. Kizashi Club - View topic - TPMS
 
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#11 ·
Suzuki Kizashi 2011 TPMS

Update I have found that on VDO brand sensors you can order replacement stems and gasket kits for aprox. $13.50 and rebuild your brokrn sensor stem.
Also if the sensor MUST be placed on the tire and Cannot be placed in a pressurized container. If you do this the "low tire pressure will disapear but the dash will state "SERVICE TPMS" after 10 or so miles. This is because the TPMS system reads the tire pressure and spinning/rotation speed of the tire. So if you have stem that breaks just get a rubber stem put in and keep the sensor untill you have a replacement stem on hand or order one with gaskets. Then go back to service station and have them remove rubber stem and re-install the original sensor with the new stem and gaskets on it. Once you drive the car a mile or so all your warning lights on the dash will reset automaticly. NO DEALER SERVICE CHARGE OR REPROGRAMING FEE! Also DO NOT put METAL VALVE STEM CAPS ON ALUMINUM VALVE STEMS...this creates galvonic corrosion and weakens the valve stem and will break/crack when filling and checking tire pressure! Only use plastic/rubber valve covers on TPMS valve stems. Dont let the dealership tell you you cant replace stems. I also recomend when switching or replacing your old tires with new ones you service/replace TPMS gaskets and if you choose stems at the same time.
 
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#13 ·
I've just had one of my tpms sensors replaced ot 2010 Kizashi and the warranty covered it. My problem was that the stem was cracked otherwise as far as I know there is a tpms service kit with cost about 3 bucks and includes such a rubber seal that you are talking about. I've got 3 of these but they didn't help because as I said the stem was cracked. I hope this helps you:
VDO REDI-Sensor SE54191 - TPMS Service Kit | O'Reilly Auto Parts
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/s...MS+-+Service+Kit/05431/C0337.oap?year=2012&make=Suzuki&model=Kizashi&vi=1503160
By the way I just saw on that page that they have the stem but I don't need it as Suzuki dealer replaced it under warranty.
 
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#14 ·
The VSO sensors are a really great replacement for the factory sensors. Programming them is also possible--without the dealership. You need a trigger tool to trigger the tpms sensors while the car is in relearn mode, and you can set the car to relearn mode yourself--no dealership required.

I'm putting together a set of snow tires with factory sensors and I plan to do the relearn myself. I should also be able to switch back to my summer set without my grief--and sans dealer. ;)
 
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#19 ·
The light will come on because you don't have the trigger tool to trigger the sensors. That procedure is only how to get the car into the relearn mode. To get the car to register the new sensor IDs, you have to trigger the sensors while the car is in relearn mode using a trigger tool. But I have an idea that should work that's free, if you want to try it.

You'll need a way to put air back in your tires and have a tire guage, but that's it.
  • Add 5-10 lbs of air to each tire. Do not exceed the maximum listed on the tire sidewall. If you can't add any more than what's in there, that's okay.
  • Put the car in relearn mode
  • Go to the driver's side front tire and let out 10lbs
  • Check the number of flashes of the TPMS light. If it registered the sensor ID, there will be 3 quick flashes followed by another quick 3. This sequence will continue to repeat.
  • Go to the passenger's side front tire and let out 10lbs
  • Check the number of flashes of the TPMS light. If it registered the sensor ID, there will be 2 quick flashes followed by another quick 2. This sequence will continue to repeat.
  • Go to the driver's rear and let out air, and then check the TPMS light. It should be down to one flash if it registered the sensor.
  • Let out air on the final tire, and then check the TPMS light. It will be glowing solid for 5 seconds if it registered the last sensor ID.
  • Go for a drive >10 minutes and see that the light doesn't come back on.
 
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#23 ·
I assume they came from NAPA. they worked for like 20 miles then the service TMPS light came back on. Suzuki said Only the tire rack or Suzuki sensors will work. I am tired of the lights and beeping so IDK what to do too bad I owe so much on this damn thing I'd trade it off getting service work done to it is a real pain.
 
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#25 ·
Hmmm...I'd find out what part number they are. NAPA does a pretty good job with getting the right parts, but we can double check their work. I bet they gave you the wrong sensors if they're triggering and the car isn't registering them.

The tpms system takes some time to fail sensors that don't communicate. I was able to I drive on two short trips before my light came on.

Suzuki doesn't even know what works and what doesn't. The tire rack sensors are probably these exact same sensors. If you want genuine Suzuki, I saw a listing on ebay for a full set for $75. That's a steal.

Mine only beeps on startup, but after that it's quiet. The lights are quite crazy though. I miss my mileage guage and the backup sensor visuals. :(

Almost everyone is upside down on these cars that bought them new. Luckily, they're actually very good cars. And this tpms hell is not just with Suzuki, but many other Japanese brands as well. I'm glad they at least made a non-tool way to get the car into relearn mode--other manufacturers don't seem like they did (ahem Nissan).

noticon75 said:
Damn at that price I will order those and screw the stealership's $240 each! I guess the wife will just have to drive my truck till they come in.


thanks!
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The ebay ones are even cheaper and better!
 
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#26 ·
Mine gives a series of 4 beeps every now and then. totally random times. I am really not happy with the car crap for gas mileage, we are down in the low 20's now. :( 60,000 miles and on the 3rd set of tires due to irregular wear. now this TPMS bull shit! IDK is it worth it to re scan all the tires before buying new ones???
 
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#27 ·
Interesting. Mine doesn't beep at all.

Yeah, the gas mileage isn't great for a car with a cvt, but it doesn't have direct injection like most other cars out there with cvts.

You need to see the tsb on kizashiclub on alignments if you're having bad tire wear.

I'd first find out what parts NAPA gave you. If they gave you the wrong ones, you can just exchange them for the right ones. You'll have to dismount/remount the tires if you change sensors either way--might as well get the sensors for free.
 
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#29 ·
What is the NAPA part number? I'll double check this for you.

They won't know about the TSB. Make sure you print it out and take it with you.

I sucessfully reset the tpms today myself. No dealership and it took 2 minutes. I had to buy the tool for the job, but that was under $200. I think there may be a way to do it without the tool, but I haven't had a chance to try that yet.
 
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#30 · (Edited)
TPMS alarm on 2012 Kizashi

We had the TPMS alarm come on when the weather got very cold and then went off when things thawed out. I figured it had to do with water getting in the sensor and then thawing out. But soon after, the alarm came on again and stayed on. A visit to the dealer resulted in a program update, no sensor change, and a no charge.
The alarm stayed out for about 5 miles then came on again with a new message.
Now what should I do? Back to the dealer? A call to them said keep driving the car, the alarm will go out...will it?

Cheers, dwetick
 
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#31 ·
TPMS alarm on 2012 Kizashi

We had the TPMS alarm come on when the weather got very cold and then went off when things thawed out. I figured it had to do with water getting in the sensor and then thawing out. But soon after, the alarm came on again and stayed on. A visit to the dealer resulted in a program update, no sensor change, and a no charge.
The alarm stayed out for about 5 miles then came on again with a new message.
Now what should I do? Back to the dealer? A call to them said keep driving the car, the alarm will go out...will it?

Cheers, dwetick
 
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#34 ·
dwetick said:
We had the TPMS alarm come on when the weather got very cold and then went off when things thawed out. I figured it had to do with water getting in the sensor and then thawing out. But soon after, the alarm came on again and stayed on. A visit to the dealer resulted in a program update, no sensor change, and a no charge.
The alarm stayed out for about 5 miles then came on again with a new message.
Now what should I do? Back to the dealer? A call to them said keep driving the car, the alarm will go out...will it?

Cheers, dwetick
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If the light came on because of temperature, I'm going to bet it being actual low tire pressure. If your pressures are all okay, then it could be a failing sensor. This is pretty easy to diagnose with a vt30 since it shows you the sensor info when it is triggered.

If it goes out on its own, it almost certainly is a sensor that's starting to fail. The system won't 'forget' sensors unless a new set are 'learned'.

noticon75 said:
My check tpms lights are still on no one local will touch the damn thing. And I refuse to take a day off work to take it to a dealer. Waiting for it to get totaled then not have to worry about it any more
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They won't touch it because they don't know how to work on it. There's more information on how to work on the tpms online than even the dealership knows about.

The first thing you have to figure out is if you have the right sensors. If you don't have the right ones, you need to get the right ones first. And if NAPA gave you the wrong part, they'll exchange it so you're not out of pocket.

Hell, you could even get the replacement one and learn it to the car while it's in your hand. Then the car will just read 'low pressure' because the sensor in your hand has 0psi on it. Install that one replacing the wrong one and you'll be home free. :cool:
 
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#35 ·
Well I did what was suggested and the lights went out for on ignition cycle, then back on the tire place WILL NOT touch it any more. And this is the tire shop that bought the sensor from NAPA so it is them who has to warranty it. And their trigger reads the sensor so they are saying their job is done. There are no tire shops in this town that will touch it because it is Screwzuki. So what do you do at this point? Buy my own trigger tool or live with an orange dash and flashing lights? Or hope the damn thing gets totaled out? Is there anyone here near Manhattan, KS that has a trigger tool?
 
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