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How Is The '06 Gv In The Rough Stuff?

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#1 ·
The question we're all anxious to know. So far we haven't tested the approach, departure and breakover angles. But we have been in deep snow and steep icy gravel logging roads. In winter, these roads get worse the higher up you go, so over time you get to see which vehicles make it how far.

So far, others have made it as far as we have, but no one has made it farther. Yesterday, the "test" was an uphill road with about 40cm of hard icy snow, with deep ruts for tire tracks. This was at the GV's clearance limit, with the rear control arms dragging occasionally. I found the suspension, though now independent at the back, was pretty good at maintaining ride height so I didn't hit the bottom when the tires went down through lower spots. It seemed pretty stiff.

Some of the ruts were polished ice, and I could see the slippage indicator lighting up. But I never came close to slowing down from lack of traction.

After I went as far as I dared, since I was alone and had forgotten my shovel, I parked with the only other vehicle to make it that far, a Toyota 4wd pickup. I had absolutely no problem turning around. On the way up, I had also passed a group of people shovelling a vehicle stuck with two wheels in one of the ruts, and the other side in the deep snow. I was able to just drive around them with two wheels in one rut and the other two in the deeper snow. Though there was some slewing around as the wheels resisted climbing out of the ruts. Later in the day, there was a full-size Ford 4x4 pickup, plus a Tucson that had made it as far as I did. Needless to say, I was quite disappointed to see the Tucson there:)

On the way down, I found the rear control arms didn't touch. Either because the vehicle was now tipped forward on the suspension, or because the Tucson had shaved off the snow with its lower control arms. I tried the lowest gear in the low range, and found it allowed a really crawling-slow speed. However, there was no way to keep it in 2nd gear, and although it would stay in 3rd, that was too fast for the conditions. So I had to use the brakes to keep the speed down.

My avatar is a shot from yesterday, and if you click on my id, there's another.
 
#4 ·
Well, I'm partly removing what I previously said, I'm just coming back from I ride I did in a forest road. The conditions were an icy base with about 40 cm of hard pack snow over, that we got Saturday night, (packed because of high wind and a temperature of -21C). Packed enough to stay over walking, but the cars where almost digging to the base

I went there with another 2006 GV JLX equipped with the Geolander, myself with my 2006 GV JX (no lock and no low) with Michelin X-Ice Latitude and another guy with a 2006 Tucson equipped with the same tires I have (size a little bit different, the ones on the Ticson are wider), (The Tucson has a lock position that dissengage at around 40 Km/h).

First I have to say that decent tires do a big difference in these conditions as the other GV JLX gave up pretty quickly at the first steep hill, even with the lock and 4 low.

The Tucson was no better until he engaged the 4 lock, without the lock it is more or less a front wheel drive, what we noticed is that there is not much constant power given to the rear wheels, but with the lock I have to say that it's becoming a capable 4x4, at least in deep snow. The only time I was doing really better than him was on a portion of the road where I was able to go over 40Km/h, up to 70km.
I was going pretty stable, where the Tucson was all over the place and had to slow down under 40km/h and re-engage the lock.
 
#5 ·
bm000092,

It's funny, when we were choosing a color, I thought the grey/blue was ugly, but after seeing them on the road, I think it's quite attractive. Strangely, in the underground parking where I work, today there was a red '06 GV, just like ours.

Thanks for the report on the snowy road comparison test. That sort of information is something unavailable elsewhere. I keep wondering when the car testers are going to do some head-to-head comparisons of the currrent crop of sport cutes, but haven't seen any such articles yet.

Oh, and I didn't make the ruts for the Tucson, the ruts were already there. People had driven them through deep damp snow, which then froze solid. Just not solid enough to drive on.

More in my next post....
 
#6 ·
Originally posted by tlg@Feb 27 2006, 02:50 PM
With what tires ??? Did you lock the 4wd ??
This is with the stock tires, which are an all-season with a little bias for snow traction (minor tread blocks and some sipes, probably a summer compound). While this means the stock tires aren't bad, presumably the GV would do even better with winter tires.

I've used it in all three transfer case modes. So far, I've always switched before getting into problems, and so have not yet observed if going to the next mode will get you out of trouble you're already in. (ie, I haven't gotten it stuck yet.) I've never had any indication it was anywhere near its traction limits. It has made it up roads that most other vehicles failed at. Some 4x4's without traction control have needed to mount chains to get where the GV reached effortlessly. A BMW suv was parked so low it must be due to a nervous driver.

I think a contributing factor to this performance hasn't been given its due. Apparently the GV's weight is spread evenly front-to-back,and also side-to-side. This means all the tires are carrying equal, and therefore, minimal loads. On snow, (or sand) this means you don't have two tires carrying much more weight than the other two, and this seems like a very good thing. Uphill, and the more people and stuff in it, the more the weight bias would shift to the back tires.

I'll elaborate a bit more on the engine braking matter. You can try to engine brake in 2nd gear by putting it in 3rd, allowing the speed to build above what the transmission allows for 1st, and then shift into 1st. It either stays in 3rd, or shifts to 2nd, slows down a little, then suddenly shifts down to 1st. This is a very abrupt transition, which revs the engine 'way up and treatens to lock the wheels. Then it continues in 1st gear creep mode. So it's a waste of time to try this.

This is rather frustrating. Having a low range, but having a gap in available speeds for engine braking downhill. I wouldn't mind if this gap was in a higher speed range, but it's exactly where you'd most want to have a variety of speeds available.

When the new GV was introduced at Whistler BC last fall, a whole bunch of automotive writers produced articles from their outing. Probably everyone reading this forum has read one or many of those accounts. Most or all of them described needing the low range to get up some rough track. Not one of those writers thought to test, or comment on, the GV's characteristics for descending. How did they get down the hill? (Or did Suzuki route them down a gentler road where this flaw would not show up?) And they call themselves experts. And Suzuki brags about this thing's off-road prowess.

This has to be the sillyiest thing about a vehicle that's otherwise mostly outstanding. The traction is exceptional. The clearance and underbody protection is marginal at best. The transmission characteristics are ridiculous. I can, however, live with it by resigning myself to more brake jobs. We sometimes do 1000m descents, or even more, while engine braking. So this isn't some trivial thing where you need to creep downhill for a few seconds or minutes.
 
#7 ·
Yes, I must agree with you about the engine braking, it either stays in 3rd, or in 1st, almost doesn't stay in 2nd and the transition from 2nd to 1st is very abrupt.

The Jeep cherokee I had before this one, which was a very serious off-roader, was doing exactly the same, it wouln't stay in 2nd, so it was 3rd or 1st. And was worst, the compression of that engine was so big, that for sure each time the wheels were locking from 2 to 1st.
 
#9 ·
Originally posted by geevee@Feb 28 2006, 03:59 PM
I'll elaborate a bit more on the engine braking matter.  You can try to engine brake in 2nd gear by putting it in 3rd, allowing the speed to build above what the transmission allows for 1st, and then shift into 1st.  It either stays in 3rd, or shifts to 2nd, slows down a little, then suddenly shifts down to 1st.  This is a very abrupt transition, which revs the engine 'way up and treatens to lock the wheels.  Then it continues in 1st gear creep mode.  So it's a waste of time to try this.

I'm going to come across as a total transmission snob on this one, but the lack of decent engine braking is one of several reasons why I always go for manual transmissions. It has paid off - I've had to change precisely one set of brake pads in my entire driving life. Never knackered a gearbox or a clutch either.

Of course, manual can be a bit of a pain in city driving. I wish there was a good manual gearbox that could be run in automatic mode, ideally without a torque converter - best of both worlds. Yes, I know that VW and Audi had one at one point, but it was ghastly.

BTW Geevee, I *love* the colour of your GV and the way it looks in the snow. It is making me rethink my choice of silver. Would you be willing to share some more pictures with us?
 
#10 ·
Originally posted by beancounter69@Feb 28 2006, 10:10 AM
Hi

Are you talking about the BorgWarner Auto box? If so why can't you put the stick into 2nd and leave it there?

Beancounter
The gear selector gates and indicator give you: D, 4, 3, 1.
I'm sure if it could be kept in 2nd, it would be fine for most users. In 1st gear low range, it will idle downhill at less than a walking speed.
 
#11 ·
Originally posted by charlesk@Feb 28 2006, 07:40 PM

BTW Geevee, I *love* the colour of your GV and the way it looks in the snow. It is making me rethink my choice of silver. Would you be willing to share some more pictures with us?
Ok, I'll try to change both my id's picture, and the avatar. I did take the time to get a number of shots of it the other day.
 
#14 ·
Hi kazoo

The A/T Power switch when switched on (power light on dash lights up) will allow you to get more power for overtaking. When you kick down it will hold the revs longer and not change up until higher revs (near to max) are achieved. Very useful when you need the extra acceleration for quick overtaking.

It needs to be switched before kickdown.

Beancounter
 
#15 ·
U.S. and Canadian models don't have that A/T Power switch , probably because we get the 2.7 V6 engine, any way, when you floor the gas pedal, it will only shift near the rev limit, so I don't see the need for it.
I did some more off-raod in the snow this weekend after my day of ski. I was with one of my kid, she was impressed and loved it.
I don't know how it will behave in the dirt, but in the snow it's unbeatable.
 
#17 ·
When I saw the red color of Geevee's GV, I did regret having chosen the one I have. But I think this was because I did not remember the real color it had when I got it, it was so dirty because of the salt.
Last weekend I washed it, found back its color and remember why I took the Azure Grey Metallic. I like it, it’s nice when it shines.
You can click on my Id to get a bigger picture of it.
 
#18 ·
Originally posted by bm000092@Mar 8 2006, 11:29 PM
When I saw the red color of Geevee's GV, I did regret having chosen the one I have. But I think this was because I did not remember the real color it had when I got it, it was so dirty because of the salt.
Last weekend I washed it, found back its color and remember why I took the Azure Grey Metallic. I like it, it’s nice when it shines.
You can click on my Id to get a bigger picture of it.
I agree - it is lovely, as is Geevee's. I did regret getting silver for a brief while, but as my previous car was dark orange I think anything will be an improvement!

I must say that Suzuki did a bang-on job in the colours they've chosen - there may not be many of them, but they are nice. I even really like the beige.

Which reminds me - in a couple of the Canadian reviews I've seen a beige interior instead of the black that appears to be what you get everywhere else. Do you have the choice between the two up there?
 
#20 ·
Always like the Azure Grey, think it's the best colour. Unfortunately had to wait for that colour so ended up with a Silver instead. Happy with the car & the rarity of it makes it unique (however the Mrs thought every RAV4 that she comes across as Grand Vitara).

Anyone has taken it off road yet? Haven't had the chance for that but it performed well on gravel.
 
#21 ·
Originally posted by bearsgv@Mar 8 2006, 07:56 PM
Always like the Azure Grey, think it's the best colour. Unfortunately had to wait for that colour so ended up with a Silver instead. Happy with the car & the rarity of it makes it unique (however the Mrs thought every RAV4 that she comes across as Grand Vitara).

Anyone has taken it off road yet? Haven't had the chance for that but it performed well on gravel.
I was always doing double-takes at Rav4's, trying to determine if they were GV's. But when I finally started seeing other GV's, there's no confusing them with the Rav4.

My characterizations of the colors:

pearl white: sophisticated
grey/blue: precise high-quality machine
pearl red: rich
beige: Japanese gold-plate build
silver: mimic the hordes of silver Rav4's and CRV's (sorry, I wrote that before someone showed up with a silver one)
black: sinister robo-car

To be precise, in Canada you have to take a black leather interior if you choose certain exterior colors with the JLX-L, and the beige only if you choose certain other exterior colors.

Beige int. with: red, beige, white, black
Black int. with: silver, grey/blue,

All the fabric interiors are black. We would have chosen the white paint had it been a solid color. I must say the beige interior shows smudges easily, while black interiors always look dusty.

The lighter the outside color, the more the visual "lengthening" effect of the optically joined side windows is evident, and the more the hood vent shows up, but the silver trim shows up less.

I just looked at www.suzuki.ca. Hmm, haven't the MSRPs gone up $1000? Am I mistaken, or wasn't the JLX-L $29,995 before? It's $30,990 now. So they raised the price without making any improvements?

I also realized uploading standard dimension digital photos for the avatar, results in them being squashed horizontally. So I'll watch out for this aspect ratio matter when uploading in the future.
 
#22 ·
Almost six weeks ago my dealer said to me that since almost every body where going for the JLX-L, since it's so well equipped for the price compare to others, and not selling too much of the other models, that they were looking to raise the price by at least 1000.00 CAN$ if not much higher. The back order for the JLX-L was building up while the other ones were not selling. He also said to me that they are thinking to start offering the 4 mode 4X4 with the other models to raise the sell of these ones.