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Foaming coolant... etc.

1.7K views 6 replies 4 participants last post by  Johnny Mullet  
#1 ·
Hi, I have a '94 Geo Metro (1l, 3cyl). It has about 190K miles with ONLY oil and filter changes. As far as I know the timing belt is even original :whistling: (i know, i know, i'm going to do it). The syncro's in first are going but the clutch still seems OK. I'm in the snow belt; the lower rocker panels are rusting out badly. I don't really care about the appearance (but i'm beginning to get water through the carpet) as I still get upper 40's mpg!! :p

Last week, I checked compressions across the cylinders and with a warm engine they were: 120,115,125psi dry... 140,140,140psi "wet". I know this is low but they are consistent and even wet they max at 140psi. There is still enough power to cruse the highway at 75 (which i don't much). I was thinking of a quickie valve job with the timing belt change.

However, just yesterday I noticed foam in the coolant. The coolant was mostly water because of a slow leak which i think is the water pump (also original, and all coolant hoses feel ok). Oh, the oil is clear and the level is neither up nor down. It doesn't leak (much) nor burn oil (i have always used Mobil-1 and changed every 3K or three months).

So, my question is three part. First is it worth doing a quick valve job (regrind, seals, guides) on this motor??. Second, where could the oil be getting into the coolant?? Has anyone tried to get a body shop to cut away the rusting rocker panels and weld in say galvanized steel sheet metal (exact shape and appearance isn't important)??

I am quite able to pull the head, do a front end tune (timing belt w/ idler pulley, water pump, front crank seal, valve cover gasket and seals) and even change the gear oil (maybe reseal the oil pan). :cool:

I really need this car to hold together for another year or two if i baby it. (I'm in chapter 7 right now.)

My friend expects to drive this car on a 2500 mile trip next week. I need answers quick!

Thanks,
Red Sonja
 
#3 ·
i agree, head gasket leakage... which may be why you have lower compression numbers.... they should be a little higher than the numbers you are getting.
Also, try this; put about 5 drops of motor oil inside the combustion chamber (through the spark plug hole) and recheck the compression on that cylinder.... then repeat for the other 2 cylinders... this will help determine where your compression drop is coming from...
another note, have you been burning any oil? valve seals may be leaking.
If there is low compression it is one of the following things: piston rings (best determined by the oil into the chamber check) valve seals, head gasket, valve seat.
On my other car, I had this problem of leaking head gasket and it did burn my valves...
 
#4 ·
More info

I will check the head gasket first. My compression numbers were 140 straight across with oil in cyl; this is what i called "wet" compressions. So, the compression numbers went up by 15 to 25psi with oil; with cylinder #2 going up the most.

I have not been burning any oil. In the 3000 to 5000 miles between oil changes, the level doesn't change noticeably.

Any more suggestions, especially about the rust??

Thanks again,
Red
 
#5 ·
The head needs to come off and the exhaust valves need replaced. Seperate and clean all the lifters and when the head is off, you can drop the pan, pull the connecting rod caps, hone the cylinders, and re-ring the pistons. These cars are easy to rebuild.

While your at it, change the timing belt, tensioner, and water pump. After all this, you will easily get another 190K out of it :)
 
#6 ·
Another 190K miles

The problem is, i know how to do the mechanical stuff (been working on racing motorcycles and bicycles all my life); but haven't a clue about how to stop the rust. The salt on the winter roads here just rusts a Geo body away in about 15 years. What good is a wonderful engine and transmission if the body falls off at 70mph on the hwy???

Rust is like fungus, once started, it's very difficult to stop, let alone reverse,
Red (as in ferric oxide or is that ferrous oxide... i forgot) :p