oh and this is all going into a 91 geo tracker

 

wow over 40 veiws and no help at all? can anyone send me to a forum that knows more than how to change a tire? two thumbs down on this foum from me, peace!

 

The entire forum will mourn your loss until it's time for breakfast. Oops, gotta go. My cereal is calling.

 

Excuse me, but this forum is for Suzuki engines. You are asking about fitting in a Chevy S10 Blazer engine. So, we are supposed to be experts in Chevys as well, knowing what will and what won't bolt up? If you were putting in another Suzuki engine, sure you could get help here. But I don't know if anyone on the forum here is also expert in bolting up a Chevy engine to a Suzuki. Pretty much of a specialized request, no?

 

Yes, I am truly ashamed.....
And considering the life expectancy of Chevy parts vs. Suzuki parts, ah, well, that is a different story.......

 

Shorten the blazer frame and bolt the tracker body on it. Then put a 350 c.i. small block in the blazer frame. probably less work.

 

so i guess you guys just dont understand the question, but thats ok with me, im going to attempt to state my own opinion without getting anyone all upset, so here goes. cutting a frame in my state and welding it back together makes the vehichle no longer street legal, so that is out, as far as a chevy not being reliable or lasting, well ive personally seen TWO million mile chevys and NEVER seen a million mile suzuki, the 1.6 8 velve doesnt have the power i am looking for and after looking into a 16 valve, not really impressed there either, you can bore and stroke and shave ect on a chevy, not to mention parts are a dime a dozen, 1.6 parts are very hard to find here, with my 6 inch lift and stock everything else i run down the hiway at 65 mph at right around 6 grand on the tack, and as far as the idea of putting the 350 in it, why try to find yet another motor when i have on that runs perfectly that i can plug and play? i love my tracker to death but i feel that suzuki hasnt made a motor yet that has the power or torque that i am looking for, not to mention the ease of finding parts for my "undependable" chevy motor, hope i didnt hurt yalls feelings but thats the situation and why i am going into this swap with an extra frame instead of letting the tracker sit for who knows how long. oh and one more thing, i wasnt looking for an expert in chevys, got that covered, but this is the #1 swap into a tracker so i figured someone here may have done it.

 

So, what's the question?


OK, so you don't think that you can extend the frame on your TracKick and keep it legal, that's understandable - but, that 4.3 aint gonna fit without frame modifications, so don't get upset with us about that. The engine compartment isn't big enough, anybody with a tape measure could have figured that out themselves, no? I don't think that I saw much Chevy bashing. I personally think that the 4.3 (Vortec, '96 & up) is an excellent engine - and in front of an NV3500 is a great choice for most 1/2 ton pickups. What do you mean about the 4.3 swap into a TracKick being the #1 choice? If it is so common, how come I don't see any threads out there about it when I Google search? I agree, the 1.6L engine is not suitable for high lift and super large tires. Why don't you explore more suitable mods for the TracKick instead? You don't need a 6" lift and huge tires for serious offroad capability in such a light vehicle. Look to improve articulation and stiffen the current suspension a bit, and then maybe a light overbore (0.020") and engine performance mods. Voila', you now have an inexpensive machine that can go anywhere. If all you are concerned about is having a jacked-up machine with big tires, why worry about how it runs? Isn't that useless crap all about looks anyway? I see a few over-lifted jeeps and 4WD pickups when I head into town anyway - and none of them have any mud on them, or look like they ever did (or will).
Bottom line is - that engine is too big for the engine bay of a TracKick. Don't be upset with us about that - we're not the engineers that designed it.

 

ok, so i guess i dont get why it is thgought that i want to use the tiny little drive lines that are on the tracker? THE WHOLE DRIVE TRAIN WILL BE CHEVY. BOTH of the million mile chevys were numbers matching for trans, motor, body and axels, no new motors, just very well maintained and not driven like a 16 year old kid owned them, i guess you got one thing right, i may be power hungry, i am used to big blocks, but they REALLY wouldnt fit, there is a guy that offers a kit to do an ls1 corvette motor in a 2wd tracker, a 4.3 will fit for sure, i think the web site on either cal-mini or suzuki conversions offers a kit with motor trans ect for the 4.3 swap. oh and i am the idiot with the tape measure, its somewhat tight, but it will fit. i am aware that i will have to weld in new motor and trans mounts, suspension mounts ect, my state says if you remove or add to frame length or width it is only legal for strip or trail, this is going to be my wifes rig so i will make sure it is right. with all that said, no suzuki still hasnt come up with the torque specs that i want, i gotta give it to you guys though, this is a very insightfull and somewhat intertaining conversation, when i get it all done ill post pics for you guys if you would like? just being honest, a four cylendar just wont impress me when im used to having big ci.

 

I'm interested...

when i get it all done ill post pics for you guys if you would like?

Please do.

I'm most interested to see where the radiator will sit.

 

ok the purpose is because it doesnt perform with 31 inch tires on it, not unreasonable tires, but it runs like dog dung honestly, i use the living crap out of the 4x4 in it, just want it to be at least streetable without getting ran over on the interstate, my lift and tires are far from useless, the tracker is always so dirty you cant even tell what color it truely is, and as far as mud, bring me rain and ill track mud all over my little town here,as far as pipe dreams or whatever you want to call it, the tracker 1.6 is going into my strictly trail 4x4 beetle, im not wasting the engine, it runs like a dream on the trails, but is basicly a hunk of crap on street, and thats when everyone thinks its all for looks. it will be a lot of work but will be worth it in the end, after all it will keep the wife happy, its her tracker

 

FYI...I just finished a 94 4.3 vortec swap in my 93 Sidekick. I used an S-10 motor and automatic tranny (4L60E) and a dana 300 with my own twin stick setup. All this is mated to locked Toyota axles (5.71) with a long arm kit. The thing practically does wheelies and will go anywhere you point it. Don't give up the fight. I know it's not a true Suzuki but I definately have a one of a kind. I forgot the 35"BFG mudders

See ya

 

fyi...i just finished a 94 4.3 vortec swap in my 93 sidekick. I used an s-10 motor and automatic tranny (4l60e) and a dana 300 with my own twin stick setup. All this is mated to locked toyota axles (5.71) with a long arm kit. The thing practically does wheelies and will go anywhere you point it. Don't give up the fight. I know it's not a true suzuki but i definately have a one of a kind. i forgot the 35"bfg mudders

see ya

thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

It fits just perfectly...

 

Thanks



Cool, tell us what you had to do to make it work. I would also like to see a picture of the engine compartment from a bit further out to get an idea of how tight a fit it is (or isn't). Did you also use the rest of the drivetrain from the donor vehicle too?

 

suchevota

My Sidekick is a 93 4 door. I used the 4.3 vortec and the 4L60E (auto trans w/overdrive) from a 94 S10. I used an adapter from Advanced adapters to mate up the Dana 300 and I fabricated my own twin stick.

I used a kit from Suzuki Lightning which I ended up regretting. The only good parts were the billet pulleys and the radiator. I had to rework most of their brackets and crossmember for the tranny. I made my own brackets to mount the suzuki power steering pump.

It also has the trail slayer kit from trail tough that uses Toyota axles (5:71 with yukon lockers front and rear).

I think this picture is a little better.

 

Good job

My Sidekick is a 93 4 door. I used the 4.3 vortec and the 4L60E (auto trans w/overdrive) from a 94 S10. I used an adapter from Advanced adapters to mate up the Dana 300 and I fabricated my own twin stick.

I used a kit from Suzuki Lightning which I ended up regretting. The only good parts were the billet pulleys and the radiator. I had to rework most of their brackets and crossmember for the tranny. I made my own brackets to mount the suzuki power steering pump.

It also has the trail slayer kit from trail tough that uses Toyota axles (5:71 with yukon lockers front and rear).

I think this picture is a little better.

You are right, the second picture is much better. It does seem to be a tight fit though. I see that you are using the Vortec 4.3 (SFI). That would be my choice too. The OP is looking at using an '88 which would be TBI and have a slightly higher profile due to the TBI sitting on the top of the intake manifold. I like the 4L60E (essentially just an electronic version of the bulletproof 700R4). It is kinda long though. I wonder if the OP is trying to add the 4.3 to a two door model. Do you see problems with that? I would think that you could just about delete the rear driveshaft and just bolt the TC output to the rear differential!

How is the driveability of the rig now? Any problems offroad with the added weight to the front?

 

Thank you!

I'll admit is is a bit tight but looks like it was made for it. my rear driveshaft was made up at just over 39", so the motor, trans, and transfer are not as long as you'd think. I know the swap has been done with the 2 door with no length issues.
It drives better than the IFS but it didn't help that it had been smashed on the drivers side and pushed back a 1/2" before I cut it out. Drives straight down the road but you do have to slow down for the corners. My next purchase will be adjustable shocks.
Also wanted to add that I tore the motor down and replaced rod bearings, rings, had the heads professionally built, and replaced the spider injector to insure that it would stay in for a while.

 

the higher profile doesnt worry me because i plan on doing a cowl scoop on the hood, as far as a short drive shaft ill cut weld and ballance it, done it many of times. only concern i have so far is the front knuckles and how im going to make that work with the two different suspension types, but ill get it all figured out one way or another. i wish it was a vortech, but a whole blazer that runs for $275 is hard to beat.

 

it's no suzuki now. not at all.

 

hardly any suzuki, (tin yes)
i know a guy that has a Pinto body on a 3/4ton Chev pump frame and 4wd running gear.
these are very common , in Montana. (lots more examples)
but we'd never call it a pinto. no way.

well, polish a turd its still a turd, ill just polish the crap out of my turd. i dont see any point in conforming to what everyone thinks is normal or totaly correct. but the point has been proven that it will fit and thats what i want, so why should i build anything the way anyone else wants it?

 

Must say that I second all of this, particularly the part about 91 TBI: best in class.
Of course, poster may wish to be a little more creative than just dumping a chevy engine into a (already perfect) Suzuki:
Edd China | Cummfy Banana
Motorized furniture, top speed 87 mph (so far), all street legal.

 

Sorry that you don't appreciate Edd China's creativity, and also sorry that you do not like your Tracker or that it doesn't fit your needs. Certainly no need to get in a twist about it, eh? These are just opinions, and you are certainly entitled to yours.

 

falsely
a JOINT VENTURE is false.? ( both companies made money, why is that bad?)
odd.
ever look in a new car and see all those parts and the tags on same?
it's a new world.

 

Actually, if you follow that post (all 38 pages of it) to the end where, when he finally gets it out on the sand, until he 'shells' his transfer case, there is a link on the last post, to a site showing photos of his 4wd drive experience (prior to breaking down). Of course, he appears to spend much time towing out a Toyota that keeps getting stuck. But the best part is this. At the end someone posts that they had a stock Samurai at the same venue, needing to run it in high gear, as in low gear it had too much power, basically doing everything that the tricked out Sammi was doing (except maybe not so much towing).
I just don't get buying something that doesn't suit your needs at all, and then spending tons of time and cash trying to make it into something else. Why not just buy the thing you want in the first place?
Plus, I love this little trucks, think the engineering on them is great, the body is probably the nicest of any car, and they do exactly what they say they will do - and do it well. My 2c
I won't even go into on road handling.

 

wow, it still seems like you guys just dont get it, I AM USING THE WHOLE DRIVETRAIN OUT OF THE BLAZER! the only thing that will still be tracker is the body and interior, and the reinforced frame, why do you think that i am going to try to put the toothpick driveshafts into this build when i have the halfton shafts? mine had the lift on it when i traded a pile of crap station wagon for it AND a running jetta, the tracker is just the toy, i also have a 75 camaro that i am building that wil be the commuter car over all, even with a v-8 it will do better on gas than the tracker that redlines at 65. like i said before, i love the tracker, just doesnt have the power i had hoped for when we got it, after all it didnt run so we didnt know. and enough with trying to prove that you have superior knowledge of everything i mention bog, im not stupid, im aware that good old american muscle is no longer in detroit, hencho en mexico is on everything any more, and its not like hispanics (illegal aliens) havent already taken enough of our jobs, yeah it pisses me off,almost as bad as your know it all attitude, after all i could be the guy you pay to fix your rig when you cant figure it out, and you would never know it, ive been turning wrenches all my life, literally my first oil change i did a 6 years old with my grandfather, im not tool or motor illiterate, just wanted a little help that i have yet to get, maybe you just dont know everything about a suzuki afterall? oh by the way, the 4.3 is sitting in the frame and has a shit ton of room all the way around it, guess your tape measure is a little off huh? thankis for the lack of help, oh and trying to bully someone you dont know anything about. ill still post pics just to prove you wrong, and maybe make a few others drool and get bad ideas, consider this post overwith, im done being belittled, gotta love bullies behind a computer screen!

 

i also have a 75 camaro that i am building that wil be the commuter car over all, even with a v-8 it will do better on gas than the tracker that redlines at 65.

And...nah. If you are driving the camaro with the same fast acceleration, etc, you will be lucky to get 12-15 city. Maybe you can eke out 20mpg cruising on the highway. Maybe. That's with the 305 engine. Anything bigger is less.

 

Hmmm...I often wonder why no one picks on illegal Canadians......

 

because canadians arent jumping the border in record numbers, taking our jobs at 2.95 an hour, having babies here so the babies will be legal, commiting crimes and being shipped back to thier country before ever being sentenced, thought this is a car forum and now you just want to know why people are racist?

 

OK, we keep politics out of this (and I won't remind you that you stepped there first...)
But interestingly, you advise that you are getting pretty crap mileage from the Tracker - you should be getting 25mpg city/29mpg highway. I have a feeling that your Tracker is not running as it should - possibly in limphome, possibly with other issues that are robbing its mpg, and whatever zip it may have (a good running Tracker can go 0-60 in under 9 seconds). Not bad for an engine that is 96 cubic inches putting out 95 hp.

 

i think it had a lot to do with the owners before me, im lucky to get 18 or 19 on the hiway and i wont even start with in town, the 0-60, well if i give her all kinds of hell i might get lucky once and hit 9 seconds, it more like 30 seconds, but its confusing because it purrs like a kitten, better than i ever thought it would the very first time i ever heard it run, when i showed up for this poor thing it had spun the timing key off and ran at whatever timing it decided to, first vehichle that ive seen in a long time that would run 180 out, not good but it would run. im not sure what the deal is with the power plant but itll do good in my bug, dont have to get on the hiway at all with it, ill trailor it in to the trails and thats where it will do its job. i wasnt trying to turn this post into a war, and i appologize if it came across that way, seemed like i got hammered by everyone and treated like i was incompitent, thats all, and im a fighter not a runner.

 

I'm in the process of doing the 4.3 swap in a 2 door. I had a 2.8 in there for a year till i broke it lol. I have to 4.3 in there now going to be putting a 700r4 in it later today after i go get it. I'm going with a 4bbl intake and carb setup for mine. dont feel like messing with the electronics since mine is in the water and mud all the time. so far only issues i see with mine is the firewall and the trans are going to hit and the dist. might hit the firewall also. I need to push the motor back as far as i can so i can get a bigger radiator in front of it and clear my winch. but if i have to I will move my winch out some. I had problems with overheating with the 2.8 and stock radiator so I am going with an aftermarket radiator and hope that helps my problem. my rear driveshaft is pretty short but not a concern for me. I cant drive mine on the road because i have hydro steering and down the road it will be 4 wheel steer. its not the best looking tracker but I built it all myself and I love it and get a lot of people that thinks its bad ass. if you have a ? i can try to help ya out. I have a wheeling buddy that is in the process of putting a 4.3 in his sami also.

 

first drive a Suzuki that runs right, then decide what is crap or a POS.
IMHO

 

bog, seriously, i am not an idiot, this motor was rebuilt improperly and half assed before i took it home, the point im trying to make is it has 278 thousand on it and a bullshit rebuild, the motor is tired and there are no parts around here, i could give a shit less how the 1.6 runs anymore, im going to give it a little bit of a break and put it in a trail onlt rig, that way i can have a dependable rig on and off train with the tracker, i know how many ways it is possible to screw up a 1.6, and im telling you, i could go roll the cam 180 out and the damn thing will run, like shit but run, i know its running right, i can pull the front tires off the ground with ease, but i think it may have been regeared in the past so everything is very very low end power, but it doesnt have the horses to match, its tired and i guess you could say its time to shoot the horse.