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I wonder

Have just fitted Nangkang AW6's yesterday, a cross seasons style tyre.

First impressions are good, and haven't noticed any scrabble so far. Ive had nangkangs on other cars and whilst fairly cheap, they seem to do a good job. Four tyres fully fitted for about 220 quid all-in.

I was NOT happy with the Bridgestone Ecopias.

Fuel consumption yesterday was 63mpg over about 50 miles - my average on the Ecopias was 59mpg - over a full year.

We'll see

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Excellent! Scrabbling or crabbing is most noticeable when the tyres are very cold. It will be interesting to see if the issue has been completely eliminated when winter comes along.

£220 or so fully fitted is a very good price. Was this from a local tyre depot or one of the nationals?
 

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yes I bought for about 180 from mobile mech online, delivered to my local fitting partner of this, and then paid 40 fitting.
 

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Further update - NK cross season tyres still very new, but seem noisier than the OE Bridgestones. Maybe they'll bed in a bit over the next few days. Grip is very good however.
 

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From pictures - the NK tyre looks directional rather than asymmetric. Does the tyre have a rotation arrow on the sidewall? Many owners comment that fitting directional tyres seems to increase noise.
 

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and haven't noticed any scrabble so far.
New tyres are on my list but I want Goodyear GT3s. They are quiet and sure footed. Also I want a next size up too. The current original tyres are not good.
 

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I must admit I am noticing the wheel scrabble a lot in this. It seems like in the snow or ice it will be a useless motor.
 

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Excellent! Scrabbling or crabbing is most noticeable when the tyres are very cold.
I have just discussed this with my Suzuki franchise and they say it has been mentioned by others in the past. He asked if it happened on full lock. It does seem to happen mostly when pulling out of a side street so maybe steering has something to to with it.

He went on to say it is the way the outer tyre is leaning out and working with the inner tyre though I wasn't taking much of it in. He also told me that the narrow tyres make it worse.:eek:

I am now even more convinced to go to a 185 65 16 size.;)
 

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The fact hat it happens on full lock suggests to me the the Ackermann geometry isn't quite right.
It actually happens when I hoof it from standing straight ahead or whatever. The bloke told me it was inherent (my word) in the Ignis.;)
 

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I suspect that two different phenomena are being discussed. Crabbing is basically caused by a twist in the tyre tread releasing and only happens on lock - usually extreme lock. Tyres scrambling in the straight ahead position is basically loss of grip. The crabbing on the Ignis is probably due to a combination of a very small turning circle coupled with the stiff wall of the Ecopia tyres. The situation deteriorates in cold conditions as the tyre sidewall stiffens further. Straight line scrambling may well be improved with a wider tyre - but this may make crabbing worse!
 

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OK...so after 3 weeks so, I can report that the NK AW6's have bedded in, and I'm pleased with them. The grip is waaaay better than the OE bridges. in the wet I have a lot more confidence. Noise when new HAS settled down. Massively better than the OE rubber
 

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Noise when new HAS settled down. Massively better than the OE rubber
So my Celerio I owned and the Swift I was loaned both had awful road noise. The Ignis is way quieter than either of those. The Celerio noise was almost unbearable.
 

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Further update - NK cross season tyres still very new, but seem noisier than the OE Bridgestones. Maybe they'll bed in a bit over the next few days. Grip is very good however.
I found the ecopias to be a really noisy tyre on my Celerio and a change made a massive difference. However, I have Bridgestone B250 fitted to my Ignis and according to my tyre man they are right at the low end of the Db rating (68Db).
This is bad news because there is good room for improvement noisewise and it means I need to do something else to cure it - sound deadening throughout.:eek:

Also the B250s are rated B for wet so I can't do too much better. Slightest bit of water on the road and wheelspin is a problem. At around 55 to 115 quid a corner I cannot justify the cost of swapping to A rated. Not having allgrip means for me this motor will be a no no in the snow, slush and ice.
 
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