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Hoping some of you guys can help!

I've ordered a towbar kit, and I had the bumper off today to have a closer look at how it fits on to the chassis... Before anyone mentions the rust... I know :p

Anyway, I took a couple of photos of each side from the rear of the vehicle.

The red lines indicate where I'm assuming there has previously been a towbar flange fitted, and the lines would be where i'd need to strip the old metal work back to... Is that right?

Might require a friend's welding skills just to strengthen the whole thing because of the corrosion.

All help gratefully received ;)
 

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i'm not trying to be an a$$ humperdingle... but I can't tell what I'm looking at there. Maybe a wider shot of the area will help orient me better. what year jimny is that?
 

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You are right. There are two bolts on each side that go up an use a squire flanged nut inside the channel to keep them from turning while being tightened down. That tow loop is the actual bumper on a sammy. The other is just a tail light holder. Up to a '94 in the states that is.
 

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i'm not trying to be an a$$ humperdingle... but I can't tell what I'm looking at there. Maybe a wider shot of the area will help orient me better. what year jimny is that?
I did take a wider shot but had to crop it to get the file smaller.

Just imagine the bumper has been removed. The camera would be right under where the spare wheel would be, looking obliquely to each side. The rear of the chassis rails can be seen in the pics.
 

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You are right. There are two bolts on each side that go up an use a squire flanged nut inside the channel to keep them from turning while being tightened down. That tow loop is the actual bumper on a sammy. The other is just a tail light holder. Up to a '94 in the states that is.
This is another pic... This time from the left rear wheel arch, looking up and rearward. The yellow sections are what I believe to be the old towbar brackets, and I think that's what I need to remove. Problem is that a couple of the fixing points look to have been welded instead of bolted on :rolleyes:

The 3 red rectangles are where i'd reckon the fixing bolts would go in the replacement towbar kit.
 

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OH I CAN SEE IT NOW!!! it's like looking at one of those pictures with the hidden image in it... well actually it was the red rectangles showing where the new tow bar would supposedly go.

Thanks for being patient with me... I'm old and my eyes aren't as good as they used to be.
 

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I must say this is a lot of discussion for a towbar on the rear (???). Did you mean a hitch for a towbar connection? From the pics the welding looks decent in most areas. However, the fabricating is shaky. If your friend can weld, great! Who is the fabricator that understands the nuances of torsional axis pressures on the frame? Are you prepared to put other people in harms way with your work? I'm a welder/fabricator and an educator of the same. I have no problems with with this type of project because failure is NOT an option. Be sure of your options for the sake of others.
game on --- citizendan
 

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I must say this is a lot of discussion for a towbar on the rear (???).


Are you prepared to put other people in harms way with your work?

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What??

Harm's way? What are you talking about??

All I'm asking is in the original question. Perhaps you've read too much into what I was asking. Other people seem to have grasped the Q.

Suggest you wind your neck in before talking about "Putting other people in harm's way"
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I have to agree with citizendan on this one. I didn't figure out you were talking about a hitch until I read what zooki4x4 said about a part being a taillight holder and I wondered why there would be a taillight holder on the front. I'm currently working on mounting a towbar on my samurai so I guess I just had towbars on my mind, not hitches.

And I think he was referring to causing an accident with a bad design/poor workmanship. I think we all have to agree an improperly mounted hitch that comes partly or completely loose could EASILY cause an accident. I don't think he was saying you or a friend shouldn't do it, I think he just meant to be careful and make sure you do a nice job.
 

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I have to agree with citizendan on this one. I didn't figure out you were talking about a hitch until I read what zooki4x4 said about a part being a taillight holder and I wondered why there would be a taillight holder on the front. I'm currently working on mounting a towbar on my samurai so I guess I just had towbars on my mind, not hitches.

And I think he was referring to causing an accident with a bad design/poor workmanship. I think we all have to agree an improperly mounted hitch that comes partly or completely loose could EASILY cause an accident. I don't think he was saying you or a friend shouldn't do it, I think he just meant to be careful and make sure you do a nice job.
Lost in translation perhaps?

OK, well, apologies if i've flown off the handle somewhat there.
 

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My apologies for not expressing the direction I was taking clearly. I am amazed at the amount of experience that is passed on to others about various topics that focus on one vehicle on this forum.
game on -citizendan
 

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as for the confusion about the towbar/towhitch and a tow reciever. Yes a towbar is for mounting on the front of a vehicle that is being towed. Tow hitch and tow reciever mount on the back of a vehicle to pull a load.

Putting a tow reciever on the stock rear tow loop is redonkulous... unless you plan on towing a tiny utility trailer with a sub-200 lb load. Putting a tow reciever on the stock "Bumper" is even more laughable. As mentioned, the stock bumper is just a sheet metal tail light holder. My 50 lb child bent it stepping up on it to climb over the tail gate. The best option for a tow reciever is to get an aftermarket bumper with reciever that is designed for towing and attaches to the frame in the right places or to get a "Permanent undercarriage hitch mount" , tube or bar that attaches to the frame and has a tow reciever. It isn't the same as a tow bumper and usually sits below a decorative bumper or behind it.
 

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as for the confusion about the towbar/towhitch and a tow reciever. Yes a towbar is for mounting on the front of a vehicle that is being towed. Tow hitch and tow reciever mount on the back of a vehicle to pull a load.

Putting a tow reciever on the stock rear tow loop is redonkulous... unless you plan on towing a tiny utility trailer with a sub-200 lb load. Putting a tow reciever on the stock "Bumper" is even more laughable. As mentioned, the stock bumper is just a sheet metal tail light holder. My 50 lb child bent it stepping up on it to climb over the tail gate. The best option for a tow reciever is to get an aftermarket bumper with reciever that is designed for towing and attaches to the frame in the right places or to get a "Permanent undercarriage hitch mount" , tube or bar that attaches to the frame and has a tow reciever. It isn't the same as a tow bumper and usually sits below a decorative bumper or behind it.
Yes, there is certainly a bit of difference in terminology. This is similar to what I purchased... A "Towbar" for the rear of the vehicle, for pulling trailers etc...

Suzuki Jimny 1998> Towbar on eBay (end time 10-Apr-11 19:27:30 BST)
 

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those are available here in the U.S. they're part of the standard tow package options available on some of our domestic trucks.
 

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Update: Towbar/hitch has just been fitted, and looks very much the part. The metalwork on the new item is much heavier duty than the remnants of the old one, but bolted-on perfectly after the old metalwork had been removed with the grinder.

Nice!
 
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