Did someone used this kit for "Automatic Stop Start Engine System Off"

The idea of "attended and unattended" has no relevance to the UK law I mentioned.
Irrespective of the prosecution rate Section 42 of The Road Traffic Act 1988 states it is an offence to have the engine idling unnecessarily when the vehicle is stationary.
There seem to be varying "official" opinions of what this means which could be why the law is not widely enforced - idling sitting in traffic seems to be acceptable but are you considered to be in traffic if stopped at the head of a que at a red light?
What you do on private property, such as a parking lot, is not covered by traffic laws.
Tin hat on, ready.

MikeJT said:

I think we all have a pretty clear idea of what "attended" and "unattended" mean.

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You might, i certainly don't, does the term " attended " only apply to public roads? Are parking lots covered? If you're sitting in a car in a parking lot trying not to freeze while waiting for your partner to finish shopping, are you allowed to sit there with the engine running?

2013GV said:

MikeJT said:

I think we all have a pretty clear idea of what "attended" and "unattended" mean.

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You might, i certainly don't, does the term " attended " only apply to public roads? Are parking lots covered? If you're sitting in a car in a parking lot trying not to freeze while waiting for your partner to finish shopping, are you allowed to sit there with the engine running?

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And that is actually why I asked the question - starting at the beginning of the covid pandemic there have been a number of occasions on which I have very little option but to sit in the vehicle outside of medical facilities waiting on my wife, "pre-covid" I could have waited inside.

I think you're both nit-picking. "Attended" means you're sitting in the car (or even just standing beside it), "unattended" means you've left it running and walked away. Sorry but I would have thought that was self-evident.

As far as I know in the UK it's only an offence to leave it running "unattended" on a public road. If you're sitting in it with the engine running it's "attended" and so it doesn't matter whether your'e on public or private land.

They can't prosecute you for leaving it running "unattended" on your drive. Your insurance company wouldn't be impressed if it got stolen though.

Does that clear it up for you?

MikeJT said:

I think you're both nit-picking. "Attended" means you're sitting in the car (or even just standing beside it), "unattended" means you've left it running and walked away. Sorry but I would have thought that was self-evident.

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I've learned, when dealing with legislation, that few things can safely be considered "self evident" - just take a look at Decro's post (#21) - where he seems to be quoting from the act itself. I wouldn't deliberately leave a vehicle idling and walk away, although that is something that has become very easy to do with push button start.

Not sure what started this but when I go down my drive I stop at the end, hop out of my car and check the letterbox (or sometimes remove the rubbish tins from the street and place them inside my driveway). And I leave my car idling while I do this so it is actually unattended. All this time my key is around my neck on a substantial cord.

I'm not certain that that would be considered unattended - how far you are from the vehicle?

The furthest I'm likely to be away from my vehicle with the engine running is maybe twenty feet, typically whilst I'm opening the gate to put the car in the yard - if the vehicle is going to be out of my sight, I'll shut it off.

In my case probably within the same 20'. If the vehicle is out of my sight then it gets turned off. It is all a case of legal semantics. I don't consider hopping out of my vehicle to check the letterbox, or to open a gate, as leaving my vehicle unattended. But the law may well do so as presumably somebody could jump in it and drive away. So a common sense definition and a by the law definition might be considered to be very different.

Chrissybabe88! said:

But the law may well do so as presumably somebody could jump in it and drive away.

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A work colleague was 'car jacked' like that - right in front of his home.

So a common sense definition and a by the law definition might be considered to be very different.

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It frequently is.

Believe you me I keep am eye open when I check the mailbox. I will have to check how far away the car will still run from my key. When I do check the mailbox the car still runs fine. I'll do this this afternoon as it will be good to know. I hope like hell that without the key in the ignition and say 30-40 ' away the engine will stop (although I can see some circumstances when I possibly don't want it to stop even though the key is not handy). I might have to stop the engine whenever I get out of the vehicle if I can't clearly see the vicinity.

Once started the engine will run whether or not the key is present - the system will check to see if the key is present every time a door is opened & closed and alert you if it's not in the car, but, you can, as a friend of mine once did, pass a parcel containing the keys (not remembering he had put his keys in the parcel to prevent him self from forgetting the parcel) through the window, and then drove home, the car did not alert him to the fact that key was not present until he shut the engine off - of course he was unable to restart the car, he also couldn't get into the house where the spare key for the car was, because he didn't have the door key - I had to drive an hour to take his keys to him.

Learn something everyday. I always carry my keys on a cord around my neck where they can't be seen. When my wife and I are traveling we have a set each so no need to bother each other about 'who's got the keys' ? Then they are never going to get lost without me either knowing about it or have put up a good fight. Had a couple of occurrences like your friend did 30 years ago and that was enough although the round the neck only started with the GV keys. I also sourced from Aliexpress some triangle shaped key rings instead of the more usual round ones available everywhere. It allows keys to sit flatter against your chest.
By the way I am now keeping a list of those small items that are worth a disproportionate larger amount than they should be. There are now three things on them - printer ink and laser cartridges, power tool batteries and spare electronic car keys.

They might have updated that " feature" in the 2013 facelift. I was changing the battery in my fob on a rainy day, in the car as it had been getting down and was at the stage the buttons only worked if I was within a metre of the car. Pulled the battery in the fob, and almost immediately got a red key symbol on the dash. Car still running. Replaced battery, blue key flashed and disappeared. Fob working perfectly. Definitely polling for a fob while I was changing a battery.

I never understood the logic of the Suzuki s/s restarting the engine if you were parked with the handbrake on. As soon as you moved the selector to PARK the engine would restart whereas you could sit in D quite happily and the engine would shutdown. My previous autos with s/s all kept the engine off in PARK which makes sense as you wouldn’t be moving. Obviously the usual caveats of battery health, HVAC, lights etc would still apply.

BarnsleyRob said:

My previous autos with s/s all kept the engine off in PARK which makes sense as you wouldn’t be moving. Obviously the usual caveats of battery health, HVAC, lights etc would still apply.

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Most of the vehicles I've driven with auto start/stop have been rentals, we've owned two, the Vitara and a Kia Seltos, without exception, all of them have shutdown when I pulled into a parking slot and restarted when shifted into Park - whilst I find it irritating, I've accepted it as simply being just how they all work.

fordem said:

Most of the vehicles I've driven with auto start/stop have been rentals, we've owned two, the Vitara and a Kia Seltos, without exception, all of them have shutdown when I pulled into a parking slot and restarted when shifted into Park - whilst I find it irritating, I've accepted it as simply being just how they all work.

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Not at all. If you think about it most of this s/s nonsense started to protect kids from satis or queuing traffic in school zones or cities. Most of the serial offenders are the parents that drive half a mile to pick said protected kids up from school and leave the car running so it’s not too hot or not too cold etc. cars like my LR Discovery and BMW X5 shut down the engine if you shifted to park.

And here was me thinking the discovery and BMW shut down because they were unreliable

2013GV said:

And here was me thinking the discovery and BMW shut down because they were unreliable

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No. They may not necessarily start up again though.

With stop-start on a short run the cat never reaches operating temperature so thus increases emissions. Not reaching operating temperature means condensation builds in the both the engine and exhaust, the oil emulsifies so increased engine wear.
You see the SUVs on the London school run with water spurting out the back of their exhausts because they never drive far enough to get warmed up properly.
I doubt many of these suburban drivers actually own the car , property is theft as some say, they're all on lease so the next actual owner reaps all the problems like worn timing chains etc

Hullu said:

With stop-start on a short run the cat never reaches operating temperature so thus increases emissions. Not reaching operating temperature means condensation builds in the both the engine and exhaust, the oil emulsifies so increased engine wear.

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This is an interesting hypothesis, and I'm not certain that it is correct - the start/stop algorithms take engine temperature into consideration, and as far as I know, will not shut down a cold engine. I've noticed that quite a few of the newer vehicles have the catalytic converter mounted within a few inches of the exhaust manifold, and this at least in theory, will allow it to "light off" earlier.

I happen to have second, third & fourth generation Vitaras/Grand Vitaras parked in my driveway and the distance between the exhaust port on the cylinder head and the cat converter has gotten significantly shorter.

If it is correct, it certainly wouldn't be the first time the industry has gotten it wrong - GDI engines also produce more emissions than port injected - the consumption numbers are better, but the emission numbers aren't.