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Just wondering, for everyday use, wouldn't an allgrip Ignis make more sense than a Jimmy? I guess the Jimmy will have better "proper" off road capabilities. But the boot is tiny. I really like the wife's Ignis Adventure we got back in August. I would be interested to hear peoples experience of the allgrip version. Can't get one myself right now as I have only had my current vehicle (Skoda Octavia vRS) for not even a year. But the ignis is a great little car and I love driving the wife's whenever I get a chance. Lol
 

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for everyday use, wouldn't an allgrip Ignis make more sense than a Jimmy?

I really like the wife's Ignis

the ignis is a great little car and I love driving the wife's
If your everyday driving requires AWD, then obviously yes.

Go to a dealer and test drive both, as the opinions of other people may not be the same as your own.
 

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Well the ordinary person in the street can't drive a Jimny yet - they're not yet on sale.

I expressed a serious interest in acquiring a Jimny to my dealer asking for an invite to their launch party - and I was planning it alongside my Ignis - which is 2 wheel drive since Allgrips were unobtainable when I bought mine in the summer.

HOWEVER...

Now prices have been released I'm thinking it''s just not on. I was expecting something not a great deal more than the current Jimny which was about £14.5k, but the new one, if I buy the SZ5, would cost £17,999, plus £1000 for automatic (not sure what type of auto it is yet - I wouldn't want an automated manual), plus £650 for two-tone paint, all of which puts the cost at close to £20k. That's a LOT of money for a car that Autocar says is dire on on-road driving and only of use if you really, really need an off-road capability. OK so an SZ4 is a lot cheaper but I'd really like the SZ5. Emissions are very high too - 154g/km and 170g/km (auto).

I might wait a couple of years until the price drops...


https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/suzuki/jimny/100543/new-2019-suzuki-jimny-suv-uk-prices-revealed

Autocar originally rated it 4/5:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/suzuki/jimny/first-drives/suzuki-jimny-2018-review

... but has downgraded it to 3/5:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/suzuki/jimny/first-drives/suzuki-jimny-2018-uk-review

" It just doesn’t work well enough on the road for it to be considered a car that you could easily live with."
 

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they have a "standard" auto, not an automated multi clutch manual rubbish box.

As for the autocar reviews, personally I wouldn't give them a knob of goat fecal matter. The reviewers think everything including "genuine" off road vehicles should handle like a low slung car with all the modern traction and handling systems. Hell, my GV is a pig handling wise compared to a Rav 4, but at least mine has a low range box and goes the places i want it to, and gets me out of them as well.

I have driven plenty of jimnys and as long as you realise they are tall, narrow and designed for going off road, their handling is not that bad. Yeah, they have body roll, are slab sided, catch the wind and don't stick in the corners, but if you want something that doesn't do that then go buy a normal road car.
They are not designed to be driven long distances at motorway speeds, but are designed to be driven by those that will actually use their abilities. Another thing to consider is that the Jimny is not "allgrip" and is a std rear wheel drive 2WD unless you are off road and select 4WD modes. 4WD cannot be used on road.
Think of the jimny as a more refined and smaller version of the land rover (the real ones, not the namby pamby ones, the defender, 110's, series 2's etc) thats easier to drive and more economical. If you're worried about CO2 emissions, go buy something tree hugging or electric.
Personally i'd be buying an allgrip Vitara before an Ignis as they have a better gearbox.
 

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Firstly, I'm not sure that many people actually "need" AWD on a daily basis. My reasoning for an Ignis allgrip over a Jimny is based on the extra grip in bad conditions not particularly in terms of off road capabilities. Although it could be a bit of fun. It would seem like a SZ5 Ignis with AWD would be a much better option for most people. More economical more space but with AWD for when the bad weather is here in the UK. And also it would be cheaper to buy and run right?? Just my 2p and thinking out loud really.
 

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having owned both AWD and "normal" cars, I prefer AWD purely for the better cornering handling and wet weather safety.

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I have been caught out a couple of times getting into a standard drivetrain car and realising mid corner that it's into understeer and i just did something stupid taking it at the same speed as my AWD car.

so, in my opinion, AWD may be a bit harder on tyres but the increased safety and handling, especially in the wet far out weighs the additional running costs.
 

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I have been caught out a couple of times getting into a standard drivetrain car and realising mid corner that it's into understeer and i just did something stupid taking it at the same speed as my AWD car.
I can't agree everyone drives with the same Situational Awareness, but I do agree, it's more fun with AWD! Resale value will be better in the end with AWD.
 

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Guys - totally depends what you need a car for and the conditions under which it will be driven.

In the UK, unless you are an offload fanatic or a farmer, 2wd works fine, and for the cold fit winter or all season tyres. This will be a better option 99% of the time. !% of the time - be extra careful with the conditions.

Obviously some people really need a 4x4 - but statistically here in the UK, that's not many.

Having said that I really like the new Jimny - but do I NEED one - no

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Guys - totally depends what you need a car for and the conditions under which it will be driven.

In the UK, unless you are an offload fanatic or a farmer, 2wd works fine, and for the cold fit winter or all season tyres. This will be a better option 99% of the time. !% of the time - be extra careful with the conditions.

Obviously some people really need a 4x4 - but statistically here in the UK, that's not many.
I would disagree, if you live in the countryside, where it's hilly, 4x4 is a great bonus. You may only need it one or two weeks a year (and some years not at all) but winter tyres on a two wheel drive car are a VERY poor substitute, and on many occasions would have made the difference between getting home, and not getting home. Likewise, if we need to go and buy food, there's no shops in walking distance, so 4x4 makes it possible to eat as well.

I've currently got a Jimny (my second one), and was considering a new one - I went a test drive, and much of the changes cured the majority of my 'problems' with my current one (and it's predecessor). My only real concerns were the even smaller boot, and the rather high price - however, I would have had one, but was told it would be 2020 if I ordered it last month, and they couldn't even suggest when in 2020.

I was looking at a 4x4 Swift, but my wife suggested an Ignis - so we arranged a test drive in that (not a 4x4 one though), we were both very impressed with it, and ordered a 4x4 one - it's due in March, although I haven't been given a date yet.

I don't expect it to be as good in the snow as the Jimny, but I do expect it to be far superior to a 2 wheel drive with snow tyres. Following a job change (after redundancy) a year ago, it's not as crucial as it was, as I can work from home if need be now, and if bad snow is forecast I can ensure I have work available at home to do.

I did occasionally use the Jimny off road, and the Ignis will probably get the same, basically going places up rough tracks to farms etc.
 

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oh dear, I'll probaly get yelled at but I'd have waited for the Jimny personally. You may only need 4WD or Lo range to go 10 feet, but that 10 feet has made the difference in spending a very cold night in the car or making it home. I will always go 4WD now, preferably with a low range. Not spending another night in the middle of nowhere again because i pulled off onto the road shoulder and couldn't get moving.
 

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oh dear, I'll probaly get yelled at but I'd have waited for the Jimny personally. You may only need 4WD or Lo range to go 10 feet, but that 10 feet has made the difference in spending a very cold night in the car or making it home. I will always go 4WD now, preferably with a low range. Not spending another night in the middle of nowhere again because i pulled off onto the road shoulder and couldn't get moving.
I've only ever once had to use the low ratio box, and even then I could have simply reversed out instead - I pulled to the side of the (narrow) road in to deep snow to let a snow plough coming the other way get past. In high ratio the engine hadn't got enough power to pull forwards through the deep snow, and kept stalling - and while I could have simply reversed out, it was more 'fun' to take the opportunity to use the low ratio.

So I don't see the lack of low ratio of any great concern for my use.
 

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I've only ever once had to use the low ratio box, and even then I could have simply reversed out instead - I pulled to the side of the (narrow) road in to deep snow to let a snow plough coming the other way get past. In high ratio the engine hadn't got enough power to pull forwards through the deep snow, and kept stalling - and while I could have simply reversed out, it was more 'fun' to take the opportunity to use the low ratio.

So I don't see the lack of low ratio of any great concern for my use.
Thats fair enough. In your situation you may find the ignis satisfactory. Obviously ground clearance isn't going to be an issue.
 

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Thats fair enough. In your situation you may find the ignis satisfactory. Obviously ground clearance isn't going to be an issue.
And if I find the need arises, I could always get a Jimny, when they become more available.

In the meantime I might find the better performance and greater comfort more important.
 

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One big awful similarity between the new Ignis and Jimny. Both of them DO NOT HAVE anymore an engine temperature gauge !
UNACCEPTABLE - SHAME ON SUZUKI !!
 

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One big awful similarity between the new Ignis and Jimny. Both of them DO NOT HAVE anymore an engine temperature gauge !
UNACCEPTABLE - SHAME ON SUZUKI !!
No, the Ignis has a bulb (presumably the Jimny is the same?) - blue when the engine is cold, then goes out, possibly it might go red if it gets too hot? - but you can't beat a proper temperature gauge. The Ignis also warms up extremely quickly, it's not long at all before the heater is warm.

Another huge failing is no light in the boot - which is an absolute nuisance, if it's at night you can't find anything in the boot. I've sorted that though with a rechargeable LED PIR light, which sticks on (via a metal strip and magnet using double-sided sticky pads) under the parcel shelf. As I got a pack of three from China for £15, I'm finding other uses for them as well :D

However, generally I'm enjoying the Ignis, it's a great little car, fun to drive, and the facilities are great (but to be fair, the new Jimny has pretty much the same facilities, plus a couple more - no heated seats or heated mirrors on the Ignis).
 

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Nige, am I understanding you correctly when you say the road performance in winter and snow of 4wd Ignis shod with summer tyres, you expect to be superior to a 2wd Ignis shod with winter tyres? What part of the country do you live in btw?
 

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Nige, am I understanding you correctly when you say the road performance in winter and snow of 4wd Ignis shod with summer tyres, you expect to be superior to a 2wd Ignis shod with winter tyres? What part of the country do you live in btw?
I live in North Derbyshire, which is hilly and can be very snowy - I used to have a Jimny (or two), and four wheel drive with the standard tyres (and well worn standard tyres at that) is absolutely incredible in the snow. I've used snow types in the past, and the difference 4WD makes is absolutely huge, basically you can drive uphill just as if it's not snowed at all.

I would imagine the Ignis won't be as good as the Jimny, but the 4WD should still make an absolutely huge improvement.

BTW, I mentioned boot lights above, I bought a rechargeable PIR one from China, (£15 for three) and it's absolutely brilliant. I stuck the metal strip under the back of the parcel shelf, and as you open the boot it comes ON, but only if it's dark enough to require it.
 

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Nige, am I understanding you correctly when you say the road performance in winter and snow of 4wd Ignis shod with summer tyres, you expect to be superior to a 2wd Ignis shod with winter tyres? What part of the country do you live in btw?
I answered this last week, but it seems to have disappeared?.

Anyway, yes I would expect AWD with normal types to be far better than 2WD on snow tires. I've previously had two Jimny's, and even on well worn road tyres they perform on snow as if there's no snow at all. I don't expect the Ignis to be as good as a Jimny, but it should still be a lot better than 2WD, even with snow tyres.

I live in North Derbyshire, on the edge of the Peak District, so plenty of hills, plenty of snow (when it snows) and plenty of totally untreated roads!.
 

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One big awful similarity between the new Ignis and Jimny. Both of them DO NOT HAVE anymore an engine temperature gauge !
UNACCEPTABLE - SHAME ON SUZUKI !!
I had to fit my own to my Celerio. I hate not having a temp. gauge. I suppose I'll be doing the same to my Ignis.
trouble is it is all a lot of time consuming work which they could easily have built in.
 
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