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Old 07-03-2011, 11:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'll give you a bit of history on the car..

Im currently a college student up here in Canada... I think the worst thing i've done thus far was purchase this car...

From the day I bought it. 152*** Kms until now 173*** kms, Throttle body was replaced. Engine has misfired from driving through 1 foot high water, and much more regular maintenance.

My biggest problem I currently have with it now is my Lifters arent getting any oil.. This was my fault I agree in the first place. I wasnt keeping tabs on my oil, and it basically starved.

What the problem is I guess is that, the hole for the oil to proceed inside the lifter is clogged.. Leaving what sounds to be my valves tapping, although a mechanic at Canadian Tire says its the lifters. .. Its considerably loud. I chose to leave the car sit until Summer Vacation to continue working on it. I have been online looking for Any type of fluid to perhaps clean out the engine for an engine flush hoping that would work. I currently bought a fluid called Kleen-flo hoping it would work.. After three days of it running its course, and driving the car a little ways. The tapping seems to be changing, and not so vigorous.. um except the engine light is flashing and acceleration is decreased a bit.

Anyone have any suggestions or comments. Anything?

It would be appreciated.
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Old 07-04-2011, 10:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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when is the last time the spark plugs were changed
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Old 07-05-2011, 08:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Oh jeez... Sometime in March. All the spark plugs were redone sicne my cylinders were filled with water. Everything was cleaned out and sealed.
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Old 07-10-2011, 11:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The engine has been hydrolocked? Suspect bent valves then.
Either way if you need the lifters changed you might as well replace the engine. Especially if t's been hydrolocked AND oil starved....won't have much life left. It cuts but I'd cut my losses and unload the car all together. Everyone knows these are terrible cars.
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Old 10-19-2011, 08:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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hey man i had the same problems and it took me and my friend 2 weeks to get it replaced.if your not a mechanic dont bother this is the hardest thing i have ever seen to replace.also you have to buy a new rocker arm from the dealer, its about 60$ american.

before you start, try to find out which one is bad, if its on the back row of arms, dont even bother because youll have to pull the whole engine out!
luckley mine was in the front row

heres what we did, take off the cover, then take off the sparkplugs, wires, and the whole air intake system. you will need to lift up the whole air intake system in order to open up the valve cover!!!(terrible design) then take off the valve cover and all the hoses connected to it, and find out witch rocker arm is bad, you can tell by feeling the contact points on each one, one of them should be loose and wiggly. then you need to take off the shaft holding them on (remember its a 2 part shaft, 4 total) be careful because the allen screw is thread locked and its tough to get off.
also you need to take off the camshaft so that it is loose and isnt pushing on the rocker arms.
in order to get the shaft out, you can find a screw that fits the end of the shaft, and pull it out with force. (very difficult btw) once you have it out, the rocker arms should fall and you can put the new one on. dont forget to oil it good.
also be careful not to leave anything inside there, and dont bend the camshaft when you try to put it back on(another hard part because the timing belt is extremely tight and needs to be forced back) and you should get the torque specs for the bolts on the camshaft.

you can send me a private message so maybe we can talk on the phone
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:28 AM   #6 (permalink)
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My 04 Verona got noisy valves all by itself with just over 6K on the odometer. The dealer said that it was normal, but I know cars and knew that it wasn't. After a long time putting up with noisy valves, I discovered CD-2 Super High Detergent Oil Additive. It normally takes one container for an engine, but I put in two because of the 7 quart oil capacity. Within minutes, the engine quieted down to almost the same level it was when new. No part replacement, no hassle. Nice and quiet. Now I'm using this stuff on all my cars. Ray
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Default Random lifter noise reduced with CD2 oil additive

Verona EX with 98K miles and no major problems. Occasional lifter noise after sitting a few days or on cold mornings when oil flow is low. Added a bottle of CD2 * (not Alemite anymore...) and within 10 seconds the lifters pumped up and valvetrain noise disappeared. Was near the 3500 mile oil change point, so did an oil change within a week to freshen everything. (I don't use a synthetic oil) This has been a great car, and I'd buy another if they were still marketed in the US.

* Possible urban legend is that most lifter additives are simply Kerosene plus some additional lubricant? In my case it worked. Good luck...
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I have an 04 verona as well. I just bought this car bout 2 weeks ago, my car has the same ticking noise as explained above. I thought when I purchased the car that it will be an easy fix, but from everything im reading I understand that the rocker arms are the problem...(and according to alldata its about a 12 hour job to replace them) But my question is where in the world do you get parts for this car without paying the ridiculous amount that the dealership wants. I mean 24 rocker arms @ $60 a pop is $1440 ( I bought some cd-2 oil detergent in a yellow bottle is that the right thing for quieting the valve noise...what oil is recomended to use and oil filter too?
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If you're in the US, you bought a discontinued model from a company that has left the US. On top of that, probably not every mechanic knows how to repair a Verona, since it was not a big seller. The dealer knows this and is going to charge you accordingly.
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:33 AM   #10 (permalink)
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womba101,

I recommend changing oil and filter and the CD-2 detergent additive. Because it is likely a high mileage engine, I would use Castrol GTX 10W-40 or 20W-50 (6qts and 2 containers of the CD-2 additive). The only correct oil filter for this car is sold by the dealer.

The dealer's head mechanic told me that these engines tend to create sludge, so oil changes are very important. I would try to change around 3,000 miles. And use the mix of oil and CD-2 recommended above. Also, when changing oil, I pre-fill the filter with oil to minimize the time that the engine is running without oil pressure. This is because the oil pump has to fill the oil filter before oil can be delivered to engine parts. The Verona filter is tilted, so you can't fill it completely, but you can probably get it half full before installing it.

If the CD-2 is successful in clearing the sludge from the hydraulic lifters, you can stretch the use of your car without a big expense. It should respond to CD-2 treatment very quickly based on my experience. If you are not satisfied with the results, I wouldn't put any money into repairing the car. I would start shopping for a replacement. Toyota, Honda, and Nissan tend to go the distance if cared for properly.

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