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Old 04-23-2019, 07:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I Own ŗ Suzuki x90, but the ABS Light is always on... do you have any idea where the problem comes from ???
I have to change the brake pads on the front, will it change anything ?
When I try to connect the OBD2 scanner, nothing happens..the same OBD works on my other cars..
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Welcome to the forum! An X-90 in Switzerland....I imagine that you donít see many similar vehicles on the road. Please be good enough to put your carís specs in your signature. What year is your vehicle?
Does your OBD2 scanner work for the main computer in the X-90? I would imagine not, if you canít get any ABS codes - what kind of scanner do you have?
Essentially, the ABS system works to prevent the brakes from locking up during hard braking or slippery situations. Your brakes will work without it (cars didnít have ABS for decades, and were still able to stop!), but it would be a good idea to have this checked. Do you have a separate light on the dash for brakes, or just the ABS light? I assume a separate one, and if so, is that brake light on as well, or just the ABS light??
You will have an ABS fuse - did you check this to see if it has blown? Otherwise, it may be that one of the individual sensors at a particular wheel is not connected, wiring shorted, etc.
But first advise what scanner you have - it would be good to get the code....
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The ABS light tells you there is an ABS fault, but does not point to a specific fault, for that you need a reader, and not just an OBD reader, but specifically one that can read ABS fault codes.

A defective sensor is a possibility (there are typically two codes per sensor, one that means the sensor has not been detected, and another that means the sensor is present but not working) and other codes indicate problems with the ABS modulator and the ABS controller - you can do a physical inspection of the sensor wiring, but other than that you need a reader to pinpoint what the ABS controller has detected as being wrong.

Now, as Bex has pointed out the brakes will work with an ABS fault, but may lock under heavy braking, what was not mentioned is that these cars also use the ABS for EBD (Electronic Brakeforce Distribution) which limits the rear braking based on vehicle loading - non-ABS vehicles are equipped with an LSPV (Load Sensing Proportioning Valve) which does the same task - reducing the tendency of the vehicle to swap ends under heavy braking.

A malfunctioning ABS system is an impaired braking system that needs to be looked at sooner rather than later.
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Thanks for all your answers !!
I am not a perfect english speaker ( i speak french ) but i understood nearly every thing !
I Know ABS is not a big deal, but i have to make the "Controle Technique" wich is the check you need to drive the car on the road..And it doesn't work if the ABS light is on.

-The car is year 1996, and it has 110k kms. very good state, my father bought it 4 years ago, and he wanted to sell it so i bought it to him because i like this car!
But i have another daily car (VW Golf 4 V6 2,9l 4 motion)

-The OBD scanner i use is this one (Its written behind that it only works with vehicles after year 2000).
There is a CD ROM with but i never tried to play it.

-As seen on a french forum, people said the OBD scanner in the car is not compatible with the standard OBD, i need a special scanner from suzuki.

I saw on a french forum for SUZUKI JIMNY that there is a small connector specific for ABS, and if you connect a cable between 2 pins of the connector, the ABS light blinks a different number of times to say the default code. (Picture 5 and 6)

-I think i will have to make a physical check of the ABS sensors

Here a picture of the car !
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Fordem is much more familiar with these issues than I am. He says that the ABS scanner will be a different scanner than the one that you use to get codes. Some scanners are designed to work with both the OBD2 and ABS systems - I found this on the internet, but of course, they are very expensive:
Suzuki ABS Reset Diagnostic Scan Tools
I would perhaps think that your current scanner does not have the software to read the ABS (or, as you indicate, even the OBD2 codes) from your car. You often need to confirm that a scanner is compatible with Suzuki software.....

Edit: I don’t know if it is the same in Switzerland, but in the US there are repair or auto parts shops that will read your codes for free, hoping that you will then let them repair the car. Maybe it is possible for you to find a place that can scan the system, just so that you can get the codes (while you are waiting to buy your own scanner....LOL)
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I have a 1996 X90 with ABS. The battery had enough voltage to start the car (easily) but the voltage was actually down in the low 12's and insufficient to properly run the ABS check. A new battery cured the ABS light.
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thanks for your answer, i saw someone saying the same thing on another forum, i will check this out !
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So, I tried to connect a new battery, but i couldn't drive (the car was up on a crick) and the light was always on.

-Do i have to ride a little bit with the new battery for the light switches off?

Other thing, i could change the brake pads on the front side (right) but on the left side the brake piston doesn't move so i don't have enough space to put the new brakes pads.


I tried to move it back with big clamps but it doesn't move back.. Do you know a good tool tu push back the brake piston for suzuki?

-Maybe the best thing is to replace the whole left brake, its not that expensive (55 euros) but then i will have to make the whole purge of all the brakes..

-Last thing, to check the ABS sensor do I have to take off the disc brake ? Cause i see the plug and the cable, but the sensor is between the plug and the disc no ?

sorry for my english..
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So, I tried to connect a new battery, but i couldn't drive (the car was up on a crick) and the light was always on.
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Do i have to ride a little bit with the new battery for the light switches off?
yes, about 200 metres

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Other thing, i could change the brake pads on the front side (right) but on the left side the brake piston doesn't move so i don't have enough space to put the new brakes pads.


I tried to move it back with big clamps but it doesn't move back.. Do you know a good tool tu push back the brake piston for suzuki?
repair or replace the caliper, sounds like its siezed

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-Maybe the best thing is to replace the whole left brake, its not that expensive (55 euros) but then i will have to make the whole purge of all the brakes..
sounds like a good idea

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-Last thing, to check the ABS sensor do I have to take off the disc brake ? Cause i see the plug and the cable, but the sensor is between the plug and the disc no ?
remove caliper, caliper frame and disc, sensor can then be accessed and removed

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Cheers a lot for your answer !

I will try to drive with the new battery, but the + and - pins on my x90 battery are smaller than the regular batteries.. so I will have to change the cables connectors.

So I think I wil just change the caliper and make a whole bleeding of the calipers.

I come back when itís done !
I come from Switzerland but the French part so I donít speak German neither hahaha !
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