1990 Suzuki Sidekick with Camoplast UTV Snow Tracks Build Thread - Page 2 - Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site
Suzuki Forum Suzuki Forums

» Auto Insurance
» Featured Product
Wheel & Tire Center

Go Back   Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site > Suzuki Models > Suzuki Sidekick, Escudo, Vitara, Geo, X-90 & Tracker Forum (1989-1998)
Register Home Forum Active Topics Photo Gallery Garage Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Auto EscrowAuto LoansInsurance Advertise

Suzuki-Forums.com is the premier Suzuki All Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Like Tree1Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-22-2015, 08:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
Expert
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 697
Gallery: 0
John001 is on a distinguished road
Default

Bluebruin, if ever you`re coming in my area, I`ll give you my new(used) white hardtop for free. I already have two black ones, so I would be happy to give it to a trackkick owner who would need it.....
__________________
Chevy Tracker 1994, 1.6l, 8v, 4WD 2doors, actual projet.
Mazda b2200 1991 autom. ext cab
2002 Silverado z71 5.3l, 4wd, ext cab
Toyota Yaris 2010
1964 Jaguar XKE Serie 1, 3.8l, roadster(project in process))
John001 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-22-2015, 08:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Conifer, CO
Posts: 37
Gallery: 0
bluebruin is on a distinguished road
Default

wow! thanks that is such a nice offer. I would take you up on that for sure! Too bad montreal is so far. I do get up to Wisconsin sometimes, but that's still really far. I wonder how much shipping would cost?
bluebruin is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-22-2015, 08:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
Expert
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 697
Gallery: 0
John001 is on a distinguished road
Default

just the other side of Michigan lake.... I could check for the shipping cost at the beginning of the week. I pick up my spare parts Sidekick this thursday. This hardtop is white top is white(both parts).

I`ve got no idea at all if it Worth it for you but the shipping cost will tell it all.

I think you sent me a pm but I can`t read it. try it again.....

John
__________________
Chevy Tracker 1994, 1.6l, 8v, 4WD 2doors, actual projet.
Mazda b2200 1991 autom. ext cab
2002 Silverado z71 5.3l, 4wd, ext cab
Toyota Yaris 2010
1964 Jaguar XKE Serie 1, 3.8l, roadster(project in process))
John001 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-22-2015, 10:22 PM   #14 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Conifer, CO
Posts: 37
Gallery: 0
bluebruin is on a distinguished road
Default

I think it would be worth the shipping cost. That is so nice of you. I really appreciate it. yes, PM sent. This is the kind of stuff that is so cool about forums. People helping eachother out. I have a friend in wisconsin I could ship it too as well if that made it less expensive. we'll see. thanks!!
bluebruin is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-24-2015, 09:57 PM   #15 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Conifer, CO
Posts: 37
Gallery: 0
bluebruin is on a distinguished road
Default

There is a cheap 1995 JX 4-door (5-door) 4x4 manual for sale near me.

Does anybody have RELIABLE data on curb weight of various models? I have looked around (KBB, edmunds, zukworld etc) and everyone list drastically different curb weights of differnt years and models/trims.

I have a 1990 JX (convertible, 4x4, 3 door manual). I am considering a 1994 4-door/5-door and want to know how much heavier it is. Some sites say as little as 300lbs difference, others it looks like nearly 800lbs. I have seen the 2 door JX around 2150 to 2300lbs or so, and the 4 door 2500 to 2900 depending on website?

If its only 300lbs extra, I would be adding a 150lb hardtop anyway so its practically the same. But, I have a hard time believing you can stretch a car that much, add two doors, hardtop, and a larger engine and have it only add up to 300 extra lbs.

2900lbs is too heavy and I don't want to put that stress on my tracks. If its really only 2500, it might be worth the risk for the extra passenger comfort and cargo room.

Edit, just read this on zukiworld:

Q: How much does the 4door weigh? Give or take?
A: A little over 2700 per owners manual (curb weight)

Reply: surprising enough the 4 door only weighs in at
200 to 250 pounds over the 2 door, 2700 Lbs

Reply: I took a stock 94 4 door over a hwy weight scale and it was right at 3700 with nobody in it.
Reply: When I drove trucks, my brother came to where I worked and put his 95 4
door on the 60' scale and got like 2680 lbs. my 2 door weighs in at 2500 almost
exactly with 5 Swampers on Rockcrawler wheels so I'm not sure where the
difference in the weight is from yours to our trucks, but 1000 lbs is a big difference
and I'm wondering if you were thinking 3700 and it's 2700 instead.

Reply: I came in at 3080lbs at the recycling company down the road from me. I wanted to know for winch purposes you know the rule 1.5 times your vehicle weight


What the heck? I don't understand why its so hard to nail down something that should be a simple factory spec.
I can't exactly take these people's car to a scale and weigh it before I buy it.....
guess I will stick with the 2 door unless I can prove conclusively a 4 door is under 2700lbs. After that I think its too heavy to make it worth it.
__________________
1990 Sidekick 4x4 - UTV Snow Tracks Project
2009 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited - 6" lift, 37's, RTT Expo Vehicle
Argo 8x8 Amphibious with Snow Tracks

Last edited by bluebruin; 11-24-2015 at 10:05 PM.
bluebruin is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-25-2015, 12:50 AM   #16 (permalink)
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: New York... upstate, USA
Posts: 2,457
Gallery: 0
m000035 is on a distinguished road
Default

I do know they added some to the body structure with each year. (and I have pictures!) So this should be SOME of the difference. I am fairly sure the slow weight gain over the years stopped about with the '96 model year, with added structure inside the doors and other "air bag" stuff. Another thing, that adds confusion is the Sport model. It IS a LOT heaver than the "normal" 4 door TracKick of the same year. I believe a Sport model is just over 3000lbs. (I'd guess 3200lbs.)

Judging by how they pull behind the motorhome, I think the 300lbs is an accurate difference between a 4 door and the same year two door. I also think a 2 door tin top would be lighter than a 2 door with a fiberglass hard top.... of the same year.

There is a state operated scale not far from me (just not in a direction I travel very often), that they leave on all the time. I COULD drive out that way and get a weight. (For work reasons, I need to be awake tonight anyway... ;-) )

As I dropped the insurance from the soft top, (the only two door that was really drivable) I can only weigh a 1994 4 door automatic and later the 1996 Sport.

This is my "parts" 1994 two door soft top. Note the length of the body support over the front tire.


Now compare with the same support on a 1989 Tin Top.


edit: the 4 door also has larger brakes all the way around over the 2 door. (The Sport has even larger!) I do not know the weight difference this makes.
__________________
Mike
-- Upstate New York
'96 Sport, 1.8L, 4sp
'94 JLX Kick, 16v, 4sp
'89 JLX Kick 8v, 2 door tintop 4x4 (Basketcase/Project)
'94 8v, 2 door tintop 4x4 5 speed Tracker
Plus a '08 Malibu named "Boo."
-- left in Oregon
'93 8v, 2 door tintop 4x4 5 speed Tracker
'98 16v, 2 door 2wd, soft top 5 speed Tracker
'92 JX, 16v, 4sp parts rig
'94 8v, 2wd, soft top (Project Parts donor)To follow my Projects see: http://m000035.blogspot.com/

Last edited by m000035; 11-25-2015 at 01:01 AM.
m000035 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-25-2015, 06:39 AM   #17 (permalink)
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: New York... upstate, USA
Posts: 2,457
Gallery: 0
m000035 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by m000035 View Post
... There is a state operated scale not far from me (just not in a direction I travel very often), that they leave on all the time. I COULD drive out that way and get a weight. (For work reasons, I need to be awake tonight anyway... ;-) ) ...
DONE. 3100lbs with me in it

Say 2900lbs for the Kick as driven.

That would be: 1994 JLX 4 door, 4x4, auto, full stock interior, A/C, power windows, cruise, full tank, the non-removable parts of the tow base-plate, 16inch steel wheels (Sport rims) and a full spare on the back. .. MAYBE 100lbs over a stock JX of the same year.

A 1991 or '92 would be lighter. How much lighter, I haven't a clue. Most likely not much. But I can see 2700lbs for the very first 4 door models in 1991. (Base model w/no extra equipment.)
__________________
Mike
-- Upstate New York
'96 Sport, 1.8L, 4sp
'94 JLX Kick, 16v, 4sp
'89 JLX Kick 8v, 2 door tintop 4x4 (Basketcase/Project)
'94 8v, 2 door tintop 4x4 5 speed Tracker
Plus a '08 Malibu named "Boo."
-- left in Oregon
'93 8v, 2 door tintop 4x4 5 speed Tracker
'98 16v, 2 door 2wd, soft top 5 speed Tracker
'92 JX, 16v, 4sp parts rig
'94 8v, 2wd, soft top (Project Parts donor)To follow my Projects see: http://m000035.blogspot.com/
m000035 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-25-2015, 01:33 PM   #18 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Land of Enchantment!
Posts: 90
Gallery: 0
GoldenCityMuse is on a distinguished road
Default

Neat info, lots of research done.

I would definately recommend the 4 door over a 2 door.

if you take out the AC system, that would be about 60 lbs right there. Maybe a tad bit more.

I think an auto trans is heavier than the 5 speed as well.
__________________
1995 Suzuki Sidekick JLX 4X4 5 Spd 4Door 1.6L 16V.
w/ factory Cruise Control, Power Windows & Power locks.
1992 Suzuki Sidekick JX 4X4 5 Spd 4Door 1.6L 16V.
1993 Suzuki Sidekick JLX 4X4 Auto 4Door parts car, no engine. [Had 1.6L 16V].
GoldenCityMuse is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-25-2015, 11:40 PM   #19 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Conifer, CO
Posts: 37
Gallery: 0
bluebruin is on a distinguished road
Default

I don't think there is enough to remove on the 4 door to get the weight down far enough. I think 2900lbs is too heavy (with cargo and passengers, I'd be at the max weight for my tracks). maybe it it was 2500 and I could take out the AC etc it would be worth it.

I already have a 2 door, so I am going to try that. first i have to take it down to my mechanic to make sure its sound enough to invest my time and money trying to convert. I guess if its not, I'll consider a 4 door. Thanks for checking that weight! I appreciate it.
__________________
1990 Sidekick 4x4 - UTV Snow Tracks Project
2009 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited - 6" lift, 37's, RTT Expo Vehicle
Argo 8x8 Amphibious with Snow Tracks

Last edited by bluebruin; 11-26-2015 at 12:12 AM.
bluebruin is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-26-2015, 05:27 AM   #20 (permalink)
Veteran
 
riley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 984
Gallery: 0
riley is on a distinguished road
Default

I am not sure how well these perform in deep snow particularly going up hill. You may need to make several runs to get through and that will place a lot of stress on small axles. I had some experience with the tracks on a full size truck in sand and they worked well until the bottom was too soft. Good luck.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-PyxDfDFlc

video of tin top breaking trail and having some issues..
__________________
1989 Tracker, 8V, 1.6L, automatic, 2 door tin top, one owner.
1990 Sidekick, 8V, 1.6L, 5 speed, rag top
1996 X90 auto....
1993 Geo Tracker 5 speed

Last edited by riley; 11-26-2015 at 05:35 AM.
riley is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site > Suzuki Models > Suzuki Sidekick, Escudo, Vitara, Geo, X-90 & Tracker Forum (1989-1998)

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:58 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.