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Old 06-09-2012, 11:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Unhappy Tire Pressure Sensor - TPS ...TP$

Does anyone have info on the tire pressure sensor for a 2011 kizashi?

I'd like to know if Suzuki makes a kit for their TPS or is it one unit as I was told. I recently had the seal below the steam go bad - slow leak - and was told that that little 50 cent o-ring would cost me $206 plus labor because there is no kit to replace parts; I had to buy the sensor and everything for my tire to stop leaking. Not a happy camper.

I was told this failure would not be covered by warranty either - 11,000 miles on the vehicle. Very unhappy camper.

Love the kizashi, but I am starting to hate Suzuki and their very poor dealership availability!
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Old 06-09-2012, 02:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I fear the same problem at some point, as I hear it is common with TPMS. I have found TireRack reps very helpful in addressing TPMS questions. Perhaps you might start here: Tire Tech Information - Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems Servicing I have also seen people asking TPMS seal questions at auto part stores, so they're probably knowledgeable. My overall impression is that a tire place can replace the TPMS seal, but may not be able to get the TPMS signal re-correlated (if that is necessary). I would not initially rely on the dealer for answers to these questions since they're more tire-related, not car related.
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Old 06-09-2012, 02:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Link is here: Tire Tech Information - Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems Servicing not at the other link (dunno why that appeared).
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Ok, so the link pasting has a mind of its own. Here is the info from Tire Rack below (you can find better on the TireRack site itself):

Tire Tech Information/General Tire Information
Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems Servicing

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You may want to take a copy of this article to the service center when replacing the tires on your vehicle or when having its tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) serviced. It might provide some tips not covered by the tire changer's normal service procedures.

Since TPMS is a relatively recent addition to most vehicles, let the service center personnel know your vehicle is equipped with TPMS, which type of system it has, as well as if you have added aftermarket TPMS.

The presence of standard rubber valves in the wheels normally indicates the vehicle uses an indirect tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) that compares tire revolutions when the vehicle is in motion by monitoring the ABS speed sensors.

However, beginning with the 2007 model year, some vehicles have begun using a rubber valve stem direct TPMS that is hard to distinguish visually from a standard rubber valve stem.
Can you easily identify which rubber tire valve stem shown below
is attached to the tire pressure monitoring sensor?

(Roll your mouse across the pictures to find out if you were right.)
TPMS Photo

Only the rubber TPMS valve's resistance to gentle bending confirms its design.

The presence of aluminum valve stems (shown below left) bolted through the wheels normally indicates the vehicle uses a direct TPMS in which pressure sensors/transmitters are attached to the wheels.
Aluminum Valve Sensor Ford Banded Sensor
Aluminum Valve Sensor
Ford Banded Sensor

However some earlier Corvettes and recent Ford vehicles have direct tire pressure monitors (shown above right) banded to their wheels.

If a direct TPMS system is in use and the air pressure has been released from the tire, the aluminum tire valve (along with its attached tire pressure sensor) should be unbolted and allowed to gently "drop" into the still-mounted tire and wheel. This will help protect the tire pressure sensors (some exceeding $200 each when purchased from the new car dealer) from being broken during bead loosening and tire dismounting.

The tire should be removed from the wheel following the tire machine's instructions. Click here for run-flat tire mounting tips.
TPMS Replacement Parts for Clamp-In Sensors

Whenever aluminum TPMS sensors are removed from a wheel, the sensor should be fitted with a new rubber grommet (also called an o-ring or seal), aluminum retaining nut, special nickel-plated valve core and valve cap (shown below).

Rubber grommet, special nickel-plated valve core and aluminum retaining nut
Rubber Grommet, Aluminum Retaining Nut, Special Nickel-Plated Valve Core and O.E. Valve Cap

It is important that all components be torqued to appropriate values to prevent air leaks. Attempting to reuse the original rubber grommet, valve core and retaining nut may result in an air leak. Additionally, it is important to retain the original aluminum TPMS sensor's type valve cap.

Note: A standard brass valve core (shown below right) used in an aluminum tire pressure sensor valve stem will experience galvanic corrosion and the brass valve core will eventually seize in the valve's aluminum barrel.
Nickel-Plated Valve Core
Brass Valve Core
Nickel-Plated Valve Cores Brass Valve Core

Only special nickel-plated valve cores (shown above left) should be used in aluminum tire pressure sensor valve stems.
Replacement Parts for Rubber Snap-in Valve Based Sensors

Whenever a rubber snap-in valve based TPMS sensor is removed from a wheel, it should be replaced with new rubber snap-in valve designed to accept a TPMS sensor. Attempting to reuse the original rubber snap-in valve and valve core may result in an air leak.
TPMS Compatible Rubber Snap-In Valve includes Sensor Retaining Screw, Valve Core and Valve Cap
TPMS Compatible Rubber Snap-In Valve includes Sensor Retaining Nut, Valve Core and Valve Cap

It is important that the TPMS sensor retaining screw (nut) be torqued to the appropriate value.
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Also, this site has a good write-up for TPMS servicing on the Grand Vitara. Hopefully the link pasting will work here and you can go straight there, but if not, search for TPMS on that forum: https://www.suzuki-forums.com/2g-2006...pms-valve.html
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Hey Chaz, Thanks for the links and input. Still not sure if I was taken for a ride Parts kit would make sense to me. $248 to have that thing replaced...that is just crazy expensive when all it needed was a grommet!

My own fault...the leak was so slow for the longest time. It had leaked since I purchased, but never got around to taking the ride to the dealer and besides I thought I just had a pinhole, or the tire might not be seated properly. Never occurred to me that it might be leaking around the stem and require the sensor assembly to be replaced - just crazy.

The dealer so much as told me that they had gotten burned on warranty reimbursement from Suzuki, so they said I must have damaged the stem and it was my fault. My tire guys, that I have dealt with for years, looked at it and said there was nothing wrong with the stem - screwed! They said most sensors have a kit for replacing parts for about $35. Not a happy camper!
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With Suzuki, the dealer's interpretation of the warranty is never "the final answer." Read the warranties language and arm yourself with a positive interpretation. Encourage the dealer to run the situation by Suzuki's regional warranty administration office. I'd bet dollars to donuts you will get relief. Even if it is not covered, Suzuki should pay anyway. But the TPSM causing leakage situation being so common, over many brands, surely we will all have the problem later if not sooner.
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I got a call from the dealer's customer service team a day ago in which they hoped my experience was positive and I would be back for service in the future. Right now I am deciding if I want to wage an all out campaign against them and Suzuki or not. I've owned 15 cars and this is the most abused I've ever felt. The Kizashi is nice car, which is why I purchased it, but if every service is going to cost more than 7 times a normal fix I'm going to regret my purchase.

Thanks for the good advice and info. I'll put my webpage construction and snail mail(s) to Suzuki on hold for now and try to get the dealer's customer service to do the right thing and at least submit my claim for warranty coverage, but if that gets me nowhere: webpage, letters, utube...I'll think of some more ways to get back 7 times my level of frustration and abuse.

Thanks again.
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Welcome. I'm not making these recommendations without experience. In 2007 or 2008, I had (still own) a 2002 XL-7 (purchased three-years used by the way) into a dealer for a recall item. They detected a leaky seal of some sort and gave me a $1000-plus estimate to replace it. They also advised that it would not be covered under warranty. I asked, "what about the 7-year 100,000 drive train warranty?" They said that those warranties don't cover leaky seals. I said, I know Ford and other manufacturers would not cover (they were mainly a Ford dealer), but do try Suzuki. "And let me know what the response is." They were very reluctant to contact Suzuki but did so under the guise of "well the customer insists that we contact you." Well, sure enough, Suzuki responded nicely and covered the repair. Didn't cover any loaner, but that only comes during the first three years (and I didn't need one).
With the TPMS, I don't know, the warranty may be a separately excluded item. But I would stress the bumper-to-bumper feature of the three year warranty. That's a pretty strong argument, unless they can come up with specific language against coverage.
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Here's a link (if it pastes correctly) to a discussion on the KizashiClub website. It includes a description of a successful warranty claim to Suzuki on a TPMS problem. Note that the Suzuki bumper to bumper excludes tires (they are covered by the tire manufacturer), but I guess the question is whether the Suzuki warranty also excludes TPMS. If it does not so exclude, you should have TPMS coverage for 3-years/36000 miles. Kizashi Club - View topic - TPMS
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