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Old 01-15-2012, 03:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey there,

just took a look into some post referring to certain lag on the kizahsi cvt trans.

got an offer to buy a used 2011 kizashi w/ automatic cvt and would like to share a concern w you guys for any advice on w the lag i noted is normal or not after i test drived the car.....

the test i made was pretty simple, while driving at 25-30mphs in auto mode quickly tried to force a checkdown by pressing down on the gas, the car went up to 4000rpm and the response took between 2-3 seconds to actually get a torque....is that the "normal" lag you guys have seen on this cvt??

took the car to a non suzuki mechanic and they said the trans was simply slipping forward severely....took it the the authorized suzuki dealer for a cvt check and they said the behaviour is normal on the kizashi justified by the "electronic protection"of the car....

any thoughts on this issue, trans slipping or normal lag ...?


thx for any comments on this topic.
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Hey there,

just took a look into some post referring to certain lag on the kizahsi cvt trans.

got an offer to buy a used 2011 kizashi w/ automatic cvt and would like to share a concern w you guys for any advice on w the lag i noted is normal or not after i test drived the car.....

the test i made was pretty simple, while driving at 25-30mphs in auto mode quickly tried to force a checkdown by pressing down on the gas, the car went up to 4000rpm and the response took between 2-3 seconds to actually get a torque....is that the "normal" lag you guys have seen on this cvt??

took the car to a non suzuki mechanic and they said the trans was simply slipping forward severely....took it the the authorized suzuki dealer for a cvt check and they said the behaviour is normal on the kizashi justified by the "electronic protection"of the car....

any thoughts on this issue, trans slipping or normal lag ...?


thx for any comments on this topic.
I do recall that some people have mentioned this behavior you describe as an unwanted specific but regular behavior under the conditions stated, but I had rather thought the infamous "lag" was a different animal - a brief slowdown in straight line acceleration about 3 seconds off the line. Perhaps one of the laggers will explain.

As you may see from my previous posts I think the CVT is a nice asset all things considered including the smoothness of the "shifting." One can address some of the behavior using the paddle shifters, should one so desire. I do not use them. I think the acceleration is plenty sufficient, but of course everyone has different tastes and there are more responsive vehicles one could purchase.
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N.4: Here is a link to a review from a sensitive reviewer. 2010 Suzuki Kizashi Review by Joe Wiesenfelder
If you scroll down the text, you will see behavior described which may roughly reflect what you have noticed. Good luck with your decision.
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thx for your answers and for the link as well.

Still not sure how to diff between a a normal kickdown lag and a transmission actually slipping ..... any tips?
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thx for your answers and for the link as well.

Still not sure how to diff between a a normal kickdown lag and a transmission actually slipping ..... any tips?
My basic tip would be to do what we did when we were buying a Honda Accord in 1995 and thought it vibrated too much. Try another identical model and see if the behavior is duplicated. In our case, it was duplicated. So we knew the excess vibration was a "feature" of the 4-cylinder Accord and we purchased it.

If you find the lag you are describing duplicated in another Kiz, then you'll know that it is a "feature" of the Kiz. What you describe isn't something I'm conscious of in our 2010, but that is perhaps meaningless since I'm not an expert in what goes under the conditions you are discussing.

If there is indeed a slip, then it can be fixed/trans replaced under the 7-100K drive train warranty (within the first three years/36K you should be entitled to loaner). However, unless the price is right I would not purchase something where I believed there was a risk of a warranty claim.
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