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Old 09-20-2011, 06:56 AM  
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Hey Y'all,

I have to get this samurai inspected (salvage inspection, long story - BUY A CARFAX ESPECIALLY IF THE SELLER IS IN TENNESSEE) soon and I have resolved most issues and am now on to the taillights.

The backup lights don't work at all for one thing. I have a feeling this is because of the switch going into the transmission. Haven't confirmed this, will tonight by jumpering the connector for that switch. Probably will order the part today anyway since I want this done fast.

The taillights and the tag light come on when the lights are on. When the lights are on, you can't see the brake lights come on. If you look closely, they come on really faintly. I think there is another filament or bulb inside the housing that is for the brake lights/turn signals, but the taillight is so much brighter you just can't see the difference. I need to fix that.

Also, when I turn on the turn signal, both bulbs flash in the back. I believe it worked correctly up front, but both of the back lights flashed instead of just the one for the direction I want to turn.

Without the lights on, the brake lights are visible.

I'm going to post pictures of the taillights I have once I can get them uploaded. They are not factory lights. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated, like I said I would like to get this thing inspected, titled, and on the road ASAP.

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Here is the link to Dice's color wiring diagram.
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Samurai have a separate light for the stop light, turn signal, tail light, and reverse light. To convert your STT from a 3-wire setup to a 2-wire you need a trailer converter. Check your wiring to see if you can find one.Should look something like this.
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The backup lights don't work.... because of the switch ... [on] the transmission.... Probably will order the part today ... I want this done fast.
Rockauto.com has the "BECK/ARNLEY Part # 2011812" for under $11! Goods folks to deal with -- I will again.
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Rockauto.com has the "BECK/ARNLEY Part # 2011812" for under $11! Goods folks to deal with -- I will again.
I ordered one of those and one of the more expensive $20 ones. The connector looks wrong on the beck/arnley one, its kind of flatter. Mine are round. The $20 part had a picture of the round connector, so I am going to use that one for the backup lights and then take the cheaper one and splice on the connector from the existing 5th gear switch to replace that as well.

I jumpered the reverse switch connector and the lights did come on.


I didn't finish taking my tailgate apart last night to get to the wiring, decided to work on installing a tow bar instead so I can get this thing to the deer camp this weekend, legally. Plus I'm having trouble getting the T-handle off the latch

I did pry the plywood that is over the inside of the tailgate back a bit and see that there are 3 wires going to the red lights. I also noted that the turn signals work fine when my headlights aren't on. Additionally, I hooked up a set of towing lights to the wiring on my silverado, and I think that on those when I turn on a blinker, both lights flash slightly just one is a good bit brighter than the other. Here's what I'm kind of thinking now:

It seems there are two filaments in the bulb for the taillights. One is probably brighter than the other. Maybe I can reverse the wires so that the dimmer one glows for the taillights, and the brighter one glows for brakes/blinker. Hopefully thats all there is to this. We will see.
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If it is like most aftermarket STT lights, the ground wire is white, the tail light is black, and the stop light is red.

You are also going to need working turn signals, and the above lights do not handle this without using the trailer light converter. On a stock Samurai, there is a separate turn signal wire that goes to the amber light on each side. Sounds like the previous owner tried connecting both the turn signal wires and the brake light wires to the same wire on the light.

Your options are to identify the wires for brake, turn, and tail lights on each side, and either install the trailer light converter kit or install a separate amber light on each side for the turn signals.
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If it is like most aftermarket STT lights, the ground wire is white, the tail light is black, and the stop light is red.

You are also going to need working turn signals, and the above lights do not handle this without using the trailer light converter. On a stock Samurai, there is a separate turn signal wire that goes to the amber light on each side. Sounds like the previous owner tried connecting both the turn signal wires and the brake light wires to the same wire on the light.

Your options are to identify the wires for brake, turn, and tail lights on each side, and either install the trailer light converter kit or install a separate amber light on each side for the turn signals.

Do you happen to know if harbor freight sells a trailer light converter that would work? I'm going there around lunchtime anyway, and if they sell one it would probably be the cheapest option.
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Thanks for the help, by the way
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Didn't see one listed at HF. Walmart and almost any auto parts stores will have them for about $15. If you want a quality one, Reese or whatever brand U-Haul sells is probably best.
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OK thanks. I'm tempted to just add another light for the turn signal but I would want LEDs, and from what I hear it is a PITA to get that working and I really just want to get it to pass inspection quickly and cheaply.
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