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Old 11-01-2010, 02:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default 87 Sammy needs a facelift...

Hello everyone. Thanks for reading my post.

I just got myself an 87 Samurai 4x4. It is bone stock and i need to lift it. I am looking at Rocky Roads 5" Bolton SPOA lift that includes shocks and steering. Can i order this package alone and not be missing anything?

What do you all recommend? I pretty much want a usable lift without breaking my wallet, but i hate to upgrade parts a year later. I just want it right the first time.

I plan to run 235/75 15 for the time being. I will want to fit 31-33"s in the future once i change the gearing. I want it to be good on the road so my girlfriend can drive it, but i want it to be more than capable of going where i am afraid of taking my 07 FJ. My FJ has gone up some crazy stuff, but i almost tipped it on 3n34 in big bear ca. I cant afford to pay a loan on a totaled truck, and that is where the Samurai entered the picture.

I don't want to go fast. 1.3L engine is proof of that. I want to crawl and climb.
I like hard moderate to difficult offroad, but not ready for anything extreme.

Here is what i am looking at right now. Does this sound about right?

Let me know if this sounds like it might work out, or if im missing something.

From Rocky Road Outfitters Offroad products for the serious offroad enthusiast!
Bolton SPOA system - 5" lift, OTT steering and shocks
6.5:1 Trail Creeper gears
Samurai Lockright Lockers
Superslider Rock Rails

Comes out to about 2k with shipping.

I will make my own skids and bumpers.

Thanks again for reading my post. I look forward to any replies!

-Mike
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The prices may be good, but don't buy from that company. A 5" spoa bolt on kit? that's just asking for an accident. ( especially since RRO will probably leave some parts out of your kit.)

With a solid axle rig, you don't need to go any higher than your suspension can travel to clear your tires. RRO uses your stock spring and stacks it on a 2 inch riser on the axle, and then uses the stock rinkydink shackles. This means your springs are fully compressed when they reach the limit of the stock spring (about 2 inches of up travel) and it's got 5 inches of non-compressable lift. That's 5 inches that it can't unload either. So when it reaches the limmit of its stock springs down travel,(about 3 inches) that's all the droop you get. so you have the stock 5 inches total travel perched 5 inches higher than stock. on a 32 or 33 tire... That's unnecessary instability for "hard moderate/difficult" offroading You better get yourself a roll cage.

Using the stock length "Short springs" with higher arched lift springs will only allow you a certain ammount of up travel with the stock shackles. For a 3" - 5" lift spring you would need a longer shackle to allow it to flex out but the short spring length would have a hard ride and high spring rate. If you want to get a better spring rate that allows more up travel, and better stability you should use a "spring under" with a long spring. Like a toyota or a jeep spring.

also, don't buy into RRO's negative hype about Reverse shackle, or spring under.. they talk a lot of smack about other companys that offer a good lift system while RRO gives you a crappy product that they try to make sound like it's gods gift to off roaders.

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Would the Calmini 3.5" be a better route? 3.5" Suspension

How are the RRO gear kits?

Thanks!
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the calmini shackle reverse suspensions are a very solid kit and they're great for mild wheeling and daily driving on-road. Very stable, but not designed for HUGE articulation. The SR system adds a couple inches of lift to the rig, then they sell different sized arched lift springs to make their kits have a higher lift.. the 3.5 inch lift uses a 1.5 inch lift spring. The 5 inch uses a 3 inch lift spring... etc. The longer shackles allow the spring to flex out at full compression so you actually get a decent articulation on the suspension.

If your intention however is to clear 33's, you aren't going to clear 33's very well with a 3.5" lift, and its not something that you should do hard core rock crawling in while on 33's. For that I'd look to the 5" RS lift or the jeep YJ spring conversion.

Calmini has a good solid product, but their customer service leaves something to be desired. On the up side, you will rarely need to use it since their parts are higher quality. Only problem I've had with my 5 inch SR kit in the last 10 years, my lower front shock bolts sheared off because I was taking jumps on 10 year old shocks and they were pretty much shot. That was operator error though, not poor quality product.

Don't buy anything from RRO... many have and many have horror stories about missing parts, repackaged used parts, incomplete kits, Customer service ignoring or being rude when you actually can get through to a real person.

Some good companies and good customer support, Trail tough, petroworks, Sky manufacturing, low range offroad, check those companies out and look at the suspension products they offer.

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