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Old 01-14-2010, 03:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi,

I just bought an '88.5 Sammy. It is currently at Trail Tough where Brent is working his magic on it.

I have a few questions which I would appreciate your thoughts about:

1. What are body mount bushings and what is their function?

2. I am sure that the body mount bushings on my Sammy are toast and I was planning to have them all replaced but several people told me that I will never feel any difference and, therefore, it is unneccessary to replace them. True?

3. If I do replace them, would you recommend OEM rubber body mount bushings or aftermarket polyurethane bushings.

4. Does anyone know a source for custom-fitted rubber rear cargo mats? I want a heavy-duty rubber mat that will cover the entire floor of the cargo area when the rear seat is removed. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find any that are made to fit the Sammy.

5. Finally, I need waterproof seat covers. I have found one source that looks pretty good but would appreciate any thoughts you have.

Suzuki Samurai Seat Covers Front - Wet Okole Hawaii

Thanks very much,
Bruce Sherman
Oakland, Oregon
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Old 01-14-2010, 04:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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welcome to our world of Samurais!

Question 4 answer: You can go to a farm and ranch supply store like Tractor Supply and buy the rubber flooring for horse trailers in bulk lengths. It is, I believe, wide enough to to fit in one direction.

So rush out in a buying frenzy today!

...you know, that might not be a bad idea for MY truck!
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I have a big roll of foam rubber... I think it's for underlayment on indoor flooring, or maybe used as a carpet pad. The stuff is the same material that interlocking foam mats are made of. But it's only about a quarer inch thick. I redid my whole interior floor in that stuff. It insulates the vehicle, makes it really easy to keep clean, and it's waterproof.
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I wish I was close enough to have Trail Tough work on mine..... Petroworks is not too far away from me and they do a good job but I have heard that Trail Tough can do some amazing things with a Samurai....
I personally would take my Samurai into Trail Tough and do whatever Brent told me that need to be done. He has always been straight forward, has never tried to over sell me, and has always made himself available to help answer any questions.... just good people.

To answer all of your questions.... ask Brent

Good luck...
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your question on bushings... I completely overlooked that.

The bushings are there for a few reasons.
1. They help reduce vibration and stress on internal components of the vehicle.
2. They allow the body a little flexibilty. Thin sheet metal needs to flex a little or it will bend and tear at the mounting points.
3. They help reduce road noise from vibrations felt through the frame.

On a samurai there isn't a whole lot of body to be flexing, the hard chassis suspension is going to overwhealm most dampening a bushing could provide, same goes for road noise.

Now running without bushings is one thing, running with worn out bushings is a completely different thing. If your bushings are worn out, then you have a gap between your chassis and body that is going to rattle around and eventually shear off your body mounts. If you're lifting the body off to pull the old worn bushings out, you may as well replace them while its off. Since there isn't much to be gained from a dampening standpoint, I'd go with poly-bushings and you'll never replace them again.
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[QUOTE=my996duc1;203870]I wish I was close enough to have Trail Tough work on mine..... Petroworks is not too far away from me and they do a good job but I have heard that Trail Tough can do some amazing things with a Samurai....
I personally would take my Samurai into Trail Tough and do whatever Brent told me that need to be done. He has always been straight forward, has never tried to over sell me, and has always made himself available to help answer any questions.... just good people.

To answer all of your questions.... ask Brent
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Brent has been beyond fantastic. He spent a ton of time with me, first understanding my needs (I will be using the Sammy in my forest stewardship work) and then figuring out what would work best for me (which is very different from what many recreational users might think optimal). He talked me out of a number of items and came up with the best mods to get me the results I want and need.

His PRACTICAL knowledge is astounding. He explained why some things that made perfect sense to me would actually have been counterproductive (if not actually dangerous) for my intended use.

It was actually Brent who didn't think that replacing the body mount bushings would register very high on the bang-for-the-buck meter. But given the major mods he's doing for me (it's going to be basically a new vehicle but far superior to stock) and now that Baratacus has explained what the bushings do, I can't keep help but wondering if I just shouldn't do this too. Since Brent's installing the Old Man EMU suspension system which provides about a 2" lift, it may make sense to replace the body mount bushings while he's in there.

Anyway, you have all been great and I look forward to participating here.

Thanks again,
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You definately have the Zook in the right shop. I have known and worked with Brent for many years on a number of builds we have done. He is one of only a handful of folks I know that I would blindly trust with my Sammy.

As for the body bushings, remember you are working with a 20 year old vehicle. The bushings may cost a bit, but you won't have to replace tham again if you go with the Poly. Also the Poly kit Brent has includes all (22?!?) pieces that need to be there. Many kits have only a handful (6-8) bushings, and that just isn't what the factory put in your rig.

Replacing the bushings may not have as much impact as a SPOA conversion, or a YJ conversion, or even a set of fender flares, but it will stop some of the creeks and groans your rig may make when going through the trail.
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Go with the poly: the rubber ones are crap.
Oh, and they aren't hard to replace. I did mine when I did the body lift. Just do one side at a time. All you need is a jack and a set of sockets.
(you do one side at a time so things line up and the body doesn't slide around)
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