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Old 09-16-2009, 10:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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i own a 1987 SJ413 and am wanting to purchase a set of lift blocks similar to these:

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...and was wondering exactly how many individual blocks i would need to buy?
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Hey
i own a 1987 SJ413 and am wanting to purchase a set of lift blocks similar to these:

Snake Racing online store Australia - Shop for Trick Off Road Componentry for your 4x4, 4WD vehicle

...and was wondering exactly how many individual blocks i would need to buy?
thanks
Uh...
'0' if you want to take it offroad with others... Honestly, leave the lift blocks to the pavement pounders that never intend to turn hard or articulate their suspension. You could really get into a bind when the block(s) spit out under a hard twist. Others may not be quick enough to duck when the 'billet' flies.
Blocks would never pass a 'tech' check before a run down here.
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...and was wondering exactly how many individual blocks i would need to buy?
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Good point Billjohn, but what I don't understand is his question, he has only four perches, how many blocks does he need, hhmmmm, 22 no, 4 yes!
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...and was wondering exactly how many individual blocks i would need to buy?
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Good point Billjohn, but what I don't understand is his question, he has only four perches, how many blocks does he need, hhmmmm, 22 no, 4 yes!
Actually, I have seen some of the chrome jockeys around here use 2 and sometimes 3 blocks stacked! If one is asking for trouble when taking a curve, imagine how quickly 3 come tumbling down... Check out the car shows... That is the only safe use for a lift block - sitting still with a rope fence around it.

I am sorry if I seem a bit to harsh on the subject, but I trail ride alot and I hate to see when a suspension change causes an injury.
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And any way, a SPOA lift is almost too high, why would any one want to further lift it with blocks? The Samurai is already a very narrow vehicle and lift blocks will make the center of mass too high, it will be only good for car shows, as you said Bill. I just installed a SPOA on mine, and I'm already concerned about the hight of the center of mass in my car.
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I just installed a SPOA on mine, and I'm already concerned about the hight of the center of mass in my car.
Adding a quality set of wheel adapters (spacers) will widen the track. This definately make it feel better while off-camber.

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Wow, every time I see your trail rig I feel my breath taken away. Thanks for the great pic.

Yeah, but how much wider can you get with spacers? 2"? 3" max? That's still not enough, if you lift your rig 12" for example, assuming 7" with the SPOA and 5" with the blocks. Assuming another lift with the larger tires will take you maybe up to 15". 2" wider will not do much in this case, will it?
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The photo above is a SPOA (4.5"), YJ conversion with 2" lifted springs (4")(8.5" total lift before tire) and it is running 1" wheel adapters (spacers) from Spidertrax. It is also running 33x12.50 Swampers.
A stock zook does feel better at an angle, but it can't even dream of walking over those boulders without getting hung up on the frame. In 15 years I have only rolled it 2 times, and each time it was only by doing something very stupid... 'nuther story altogether.
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i own a 1987 SJ413 and am wanting to purchase a set of lift blocks similar to these:

Snake Racing online store Australia - Shop for Trick Off Road Componentry for your 4x4, 4WD vehicle

...and was wondering exactly how many individual blocks i would need to buy?
thanks
I am sorry that you are not getting a direct answer to your question, metal-zook-mulisha.

The answer is four - one for each spring perch.

As others have said, lift blocks are not very safe for offroading as there is a lot of stress applied on the axle/spring attachment point during suspension flex and the application of large amounts of power.

Creating a space by installing lift blocks creates increased leverage between the spring and the axle. Violent application of power or impact with a rock can make the suspension to flex dangerously resulting in spring wrap which distorts the leaf springs and also damages the u-joint on the differential end of the wrapped axle.

I see these type of lifts all the time on full-sized US Pickup Trucks that never look like they have ever left the pavement in their lives. The second one of these owners/drivers goes offroad and really mashes the motor going over and obstacle, he/she is in for a world of hurt.

The best suspension lift is either a set of lift springs, a Spring Over Axle (SPOA) lift or a Virtual lift (cutting the wheel well sheetmetal to gain clearance for larger tires). These are infinitely safer than lift blocks and get the job done!!

I hope that this helps!
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I am sorry that you are not getting a direct answer to your question, metal-zook-mulisha.

The answer is four - one for each spring perch.

As others have said, lift blocks are not very safe for offroading as there is a lot of stress applied on the axle/spring attachment point during suspension flex and the application of large amounts of power.

Creating a space by installing lift blocks creates increased leverage between the spring and the axle. Violent application of power or impact with a rock can make the suspension to flex dangerously resulting in spring wrap which distorts the leaf springs and also damages the u-joint on the differential end of the wrapped axle.

I see these type of lifts all the time on full-sized US Pickup Trucks that never look like they have ever left the pavement in their lives. The second one of these owners/drivers goes offroad and really mashes the motor going over and obstacle, he/she is in for a world of hurt.

The best suspension lift is either a set of lift springs, a Spring Over Axle (SPOA) lift or a Virtual lift (cutting the wheel well sheetmetal to gain clearance for larger tires). These are infinitely safer than lift blocks and get the job done!!

I hope that this helps!

Thanks for the helpful advice. Surprised you only have 1 post, with such knowledge.
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