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Old 03-31-2019, 01:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Can anyone tell me where the starter relay is located on my Samurai SJ413, gasoline coupé with tarp 63 HP (spanish factory) ? Is it attached to the end of the starter or located somewhere else? Does anyone know where I can buy one. All the parts suppliers here is France are out of stock.
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To the best of my knowledge they don't have one as standard.
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only the main solenoid on the starter I believe, fed direct from the ignition / start switch
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Thank you for your help. I am not clear on what you mean. For me a relay is a device switching a low power circuit which triggers a high power circuit. In this case the switch on the steering column would close a low power circuit which would then open the full current of the battery to power the high current starter motor.
I don't know what you mean by "main solenoid". My guess is that you're talking about a solenoid that pushes the starter gear to engage the flywheel. However there must be some low current switching that releases the full power circuit to the starter to engage and turn the flywheel. This could be called a relay or a contactor (or a solenoid?).
Are you saying this low power switching circuit is included as an integral part of the starter motor ?
I'm attaching a photo of the device where the positive battery cable on my Samurai attaches to a cylindrical aluminum casing device (in the middle of the photo). It is altogether too small to be a starter motor so for me it should be the device that switches the full battery current to the starter. However I can't see where the wires from the switch on the steering column attach to it.
Do you recognize it ? Is it a detachable device or integral to the starter ? Is it what you call the main solenoid ?
Sorry for my ignorance of automotive terms and thanks again for your help.
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On a Suzuki Samurai, the starter solenoid mounted on the side of the starter serves two purposes - the first is to engage the starter bendix with the teeth on the ring gear of the flywheel (manual transmission) or flexplate (automatic transmission), and the second is to switch the starter current - this is the only "relay" in the starter circuit.
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I guess this means, since the solenoid doesn't look detachable, that to fix my problem of intermittent starting I'll have to replace the whole starter. Looks like a major job, with difficult access, probably best done in a Suzuki garage.
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the starter "solenoid" is removable, but only after the starter is removed from the vehicle. Check the small wire on the solenoid for a good connection, if you jump that terminal to battery + (or the battery lead on the big terminal) that will make the starter work and help confirm if its the starter and solenoid thats the issue, or whether its the ignition switch or wiring
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I guess this means, since the solenoid doesn't look detachable, that to fix my problem of intermittent starting I'll have to replace the whole starter. Looks like a major job, with difficult access, probably best done in a Suzuki garage.
Thanks again for your help.
There are other causes of intermittent starting besides a defective starter relay/solenoid, and there are better ways to approach the problem besides replacing suspect parts.

Diagnosis should always come before part replacement - the last intermittent start problem I has was a defective battery - I kid you not - turn the key and it may or may not crank, try a couple of times and it would crank & start - start fine at home, drive down to the gas station to fill it, and no start after filling it.

Intermittent start covers a multitude of scenarios - what are the symptoms? What happens when you turn the key, does it crank, does it click, is there silence, do the dash lights go out?

A loose or poor electrical connection can be the cause of symptoms that could look like a defective starter.

Do you have a volt meter? What's the voltage at the battery terminals when you're trying to crank? at the starter motor terminal? at the starter solenoid terminal?
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