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Old 06-03-2018, 01:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question symptoms of needing a new timing belt 1.3 l.

When my '87 Samurai refused to start I had a mechanic take it to his garage. He's known me a long time and knows I don't have deep pockets. He didn't fix the problem as he knew I needed a new timing belt and that was going to cost about $700.00.
I've seen a video on how the repair should be done and I think I can do it. But I don't know if the timing belt is the problem. I don't want to go after the wrong problem so how do you look into it ? What test(s) can you do to make sure you're headed in the right direction ?
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He says it needs a new belt, does this mean its already snapped. The 1.3 is a non-interference engine so should cause no damage if it broke. I'd take the belt cover off for a look. Shouldn't cost anything like that to replace in my mind.
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The timing belt is a "service" item, replace every 60,000 miles, if it breaks, the engine stops working - ideally you replace it, before it breaks, not only because it can leave you stranded, but, on some vehicles, if it breaks, engine damage can occur - fortunately, the G13 engine in the Samurai is not one of these.

How do you know if it's broken - the engine will crank very rapidly and with a sort of flat whining sound, if you hear it once, you'll recognize it every time you hear it - it's unmistakable, but if you've never heard it before, remove the distributor cap and watch the rotor whilst someone cranks the engine - if the rotor is not turning when the engine is, there is a good chance the belt is gone - or - as Darrell suggests take off the belt cover.

Replacing a timing belt on one of these engines is a relatively simple process for anyone with basic mechanical skills and experience, you need to know if you fall into that category - I don't particularly care for "youtube mechanics", you should be able to find a factory manual over at Ack's FAQ (Ack's FAQ - Ack's FAQ).

A timing belt kit containing the belt & a new tensioner pulley is less than $30 at RockAuto.com, I don't see why it should take you more than a couple of hours, I can probably do it in less, and I don't turn wrenches for a living, so I'd say $700 is ridiculously expensive, assuming that we are talking US dollars.

Some folks like to change the cam & crank seals, and the water pump, whilst they're in there, it's not a bad idea, the seals are a couple of dollars each and the pump is under $30, so if you're paying for labor, I'd say change them.
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Gad, a million thanks for you replies. Can't say it any better. I'll start on it tonight.
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I concur with Fordem, do the water pump while you are there, seals are up to you, if they are showing any sign of wetness, change them, otherwise you are safe to leave them alone.

I have found water pumps tend to fail about a month after you have done a belt, meaning you have to do it all again...........
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I haven't forgotten your help and it's people like yourselves that jumped in with your thoughts that put a positive spin on this world. FWIW, I'm doing cosmetic work on 2 other Sammys (sanding, using a stud gun that I picked up for fifty bucks w/ lots of nails (that I'll let go for a reasonable offer later), and a bunch of other tools when I'm done.

It's been as hot as dog crap here in Boise so I'm working only in the morning hours. Plus my wife and I have new 8' pontoon boats that are screaming at me. Will keep ya posted and again thank you.
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