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Old 11-20-2015, 09:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm still struggling through my first rebuild - one problem after another. I finally am at the point now where I am trying to start it up and it won't start - I had my dad in the driver seat while I was in front. It would just keep trying to start but never turn over. Couldn't figure out what was going on until I got into the driver seat and realized it was trying to start as soon as the key was turned into the first position where normally just the radio & other elec devices would come on. I've checked and double check starter and ignition wiring - I think it's right? - but can't catch the issue. What would cause this?
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The only thing that will cause it is an electrical problem, either incorrect wiring or defective wiring (a short circuit between the accessory & start circuits - please note that short circuit could be in the ignition switch itself.
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I may need to replace the ignition switch, I noticed a couple times when priming the oil pump that nothing at all happened when turning the key. Im going to recheck all my starter wiring then probably replace the ignition.
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Do you have a test meter? They are as inexpensive as $5 at the nearest Harbor Freight, and that $5 is going to be less than the cost of the ignition switch which may, or may not, be the cause of your problem.

Why not make a small investment in tools instead of throwing parts at the problem?

Also re-reading your original post - there seems to be a misunderstanding or possible misuse of terminology - you say the car would just keep trying to start but never turn over - what do you define as "trying to start" & "turn over"?

To most of us, turn over is the same as crank, you turn the key to the start position and the starter motor cranks the engine which turns over and hopefully fires and starts - when discussing an engine, to turn over is to crank, which is essentially the same as try to start - although the engine doesn't try to start, you try to start the engine.

The car should not crank/turn over/try to start unless the key is turned to the start position.
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Im all about buying new tools, so that sounds great. But when you say test meter, do you mean a multimeter or what? Im not sure how to look for a short with a meter on the ignition.

Sorry for the lack of clarity that post was a bit confusing.

The engine cranks when the key in the accessory position. It never turns over and runs though.
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When I say a test meter, I mean what used to be known as a VOM or Volt Ohm Meter, and in today's digital world is now called a DMM or Digital Multi Meter - they can measure AC Volts, DC Volts, Ohms & in some cases Amperes.

You're going to need to find someone to help you understand basic electricity - a short, or to give it it's full name, a short circuit, is when two wires make an electrical connection when they shouldn't, and it's normally found with an ohm meter or a test meter on a resistance scale.
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I'm familiar working with elec, primarily residential though. I have used a multimeter before as well, just not sure how I would test to see if there is a short in the ignition switch?
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This shows what is correct for each position.
If the wire colours are not correct let me know what you have as they vary a little depending on where built and which country made for.

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There are two significant differences between auto & residential electrics - the first is that residential is AC & auto is DC, and the second is that auto uses a common return.

Think of your residential wiring, you have a live & a neutral, in auto wiring, you have a positive & a negative, and the chassis is used for all the negative circuits, rather than running individual wires.

Do you know how to check for continuity? Checking for a short circuit is the same principle - a short circuit is continuity where there should be none.
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I'm going to pick up a multimeter and check for a short this week, I've been needing to get one for various projects anyway. I've used one a few times before, but not to check for shorts in a vehicle. I'm a mechanical engineer, not elec, so I did my best to stay away from elec after circuits 1 . I'm just a little unsure how I will test the ignition wiring specifically for a short in the ignition. From the wiring diagram above it looks like in the ACC position the Blue wire should be not be hot?

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