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Old 11-22-2017, 12:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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sorry to ask such a newbie question

i've just bought a 2004 1.3 petrol carry and want to do a oil & filter change. would experienced owners recommend a particular oil? i was thinking 5w30 fully synthetic unless advised otherwise...

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Do you have the owner's manual?

There's usually a chart showing what grades of oil are suitable based on ambient temperature, which of course will vary from one place to another, and possibly with the time of year - it will probably recommend 10w30, but that is, so to speak, not "cast in stone".

The synthetic/non-synthetic choice is largely a personal one - you can do a google search and find reasons to use synthetics and reasons not to, you'll also find that in some cases, synthetic oils are not actually synthesized, but are actually a more refined mineral oil, making the synthetic "definition" nothing more than hype.

My personal preference is to change the oil frequently - so I use mineral oil, I live in a "year round" warm climate, where the temperature never drops below 80*C, so I use a 10w40.
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Old 11-22-2017, 09:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Is the 10w30 compatible to the 10w40? because it seems that 10w30 is no longer available!
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A 10w30 and a 10w40 are going to be two different things - the number before the w (in this case the 10) is the "weight" of the oil when cold, and the number after the w (in this case the 30 or 40) is the "weight" of the oil when hot.

A higher "weight" or heavier oil is thicker, and doesn't flow as freely, or you look at it from the reverse point of view, a lower "weight" or lighter oil is thinner and flows more freely.

A 30 or 40 weight oil will be very thick in cold (winter) temperatures, and a 5 or 10 weight oil will be very thin in hot (summer) temperatures, and at one point it was common to do oil changes twice a year so that you had the correct grade of oil for the seasons - multigrade oils like the 10w30 were developed to get around that - a 10w30 is as thin as a 10 oil in winter and will flow just as freely, but will be as thick and resistant to flow as a 30 oil in summer.

So - a 10w40 oil will be the equivalent of a 10w30 in cold weather, but heavier or thicker in hot weather.

I believe your question is can a 10w40 be used in place of a 10w30 - my answer is going to be look for the chart in your owner's manual and see the temperature spread that the oil covers - if the climate you are in falls within that range then the answer is yes.

I'll also tell you that 10w30 oils ARE available, maybe not in the brand you're looking at, maybe not in the store you're in, but they are still made and widely available - if you don't see it on the shelf, ask for it - twenty odd years back when I started using 10w30, it was not widely available where I am, few people stocked it because it was not in high demand, but the distributors had it by the case - call around you'll find it.

Bottom line can a 10w40 be substituted for a 10w30 - I believe the answer is YES - can a 10w30 be substituted for a 10w40 - 90% of time the answer will be YES.

On a personal note - I run a 10w30 in one J20 engine and a 10w40 in another - why do I do it - the second engine has almost 100,000 miles more than the first - bearing clearances are slightly greater so hot oil pressure is slightly less - well within factory spec. but slightly less.
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Thanks fordem.
Here is my owner's manual for 1997 and 1996.
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In the owner's manual above it is clearly recommended to use 10w30 by Suzuki engineer. If 10w30 is no loner available here, then 10w40 replace it!!
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This is the oil chart for the Suzuky Carry 1.3L 2005.



From the same manual:
NOTE:
For temperature between 20C (4F) and 30C (86F), it
is highly recommended to use SAE 10W 30 oil.

Here in Costa Rica temperatures are between 20 and 40C, so that recommendation is not good for me.
I've been using 20w50 for almost 7 years and the engine has worked flawlessly.
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I'd bet Suzuki dealers would use 10w/40 here in the UK.
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Here in Costa Rica temperatures are between 20 and 40C, so that recommendation is not good for me.
I've been using 20w50 for almost 7 years and the engine has worked flawlessly.
In Guyana we see temperatures very similar to what you describe in Costa Rica - not only will I NOT run a 20W50 in anything I own, I will strongly recommend against it on any engine with hydraulic lifters or tensioners.

Mind you, this is probably neither here nor there for the original poster as a 2004 1.3 Carry is most likely the 16v G13 engine with neither hydraulic tensioners or lifters.

I suspect your GV has solid lifters (which need to be checked and adjusted periodically, unlike the hydraulic lifters), but it still has the hydraulic tensioners - hey - it's your engine, it's your choice - I have a JB series GV, and the only way I would put a 20W50 in that is if it was the only thing available in an emergency.
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Effectively, my Suzuki Carry has the G13BB, 16V with solid lifters, and the 20w50 has worked fine and is recommended for our climates.

(The 2G Grand Vitara manual says: DON'T USE OTHER OIL THAN 10w30, but that was for that Grand Vitara.)
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