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Old 08-13-2006, 10:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am new to the Forum. I am an American living in Dumaguete City, Philippines. In the US, I was an automotive tech with 20+ years experience. Here, I am working on all sorts of things, much of which is new to me. Over the last year, I have worked on approximately 100 various Suzukis, comprising of around 50% of my total workload. I hope to be able to help many of you with your questions about these vehicles, and hope also to glean what information I can from any of you that may know. Information is very hard to come by here, which is something that was never a problem in the states. In the US, if you wanted valve adj specs you simply asked at the parts store where you do business, they are happy to help you in return for your patronage. Here, it seems nobody has that information or if they do they will not release it. So... my first question is;

Can anybody tell me the valve lash adj specs on 6, 9, and 12 valve (F5A, F5B, and F6A) engines?

Any and all websites pertaining to these vehicles will be highly appreciated.

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Old 08-15-2006, 12:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Hello there shadownseiko! Welcome!

Here is a sight that might help you on the F5 engine:

Mightyboy Specifications

Hope this helps.
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Old 08-15-2006, 05:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Great, that's a start! One thing I have noticed, there are no two of these machines alike. For instance, take the F5B engine. I have seen them with 6, 9, and 12 valve heads. Whichever head is on it, it requires the F6A head gasket, but the other gaskets must match the head. I have seen one which was called a 9 valve by the selling dealer, which actually only had 6 valves. It had, however, small jets in the intake ports, for whatever purpose is a mystery. I was unable to find intake and coolant gaskets to match this head, I finally made them myself.

Personally, out of all these engines, I prefer the 6 valve. There is very little difference power wise. The 12 valve is a little torquier at low RPMs, But the 6 valve is much easier to work on in terms of head work. I generally wind up replacing one or two head gaskets per month, and the 6 valve is simply much simpler, the 12 valve being much too intricate.

I'm done rambling for now. Thanx for the web site!

Larry.
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Old 08-16-2006, 02:33 AM   #4 (permalink)
 
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My van use to have an F5 engine but original has turbo. But since I might have an aicron install that i change my engine to an F6. But here in Manila a 9 valve spare parts is hard to fine. The safest is an F5 with 6 valve (a 12 valve is also rare) and F6 12 valve usually front engine. The scrum type van is available here but the spare parts is still order in Cebu.
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Great, that's a start! One thing I have noticed, there are no two of these machines alike. For instance, take the F5B engine. I have seen them with 6, 9, and 12 valve heads. Whichever head is on it, it requires the F6A head gasket, but the other gaskets must match the head. I have seen one which was called a 9 valve by the selling dealer, which actually only had 6 valves. It had, however, small jets in the intake ports, for whatever purpose is a mystery. I was unable to find intake and coolant gaskets to match this head, I finally made them myself.

Personally, out of all these engines, I prefer the 6 valve. There is very little difference power wise. The 12 valve is a little torquier at low RPMs, But the 6 valve is much easier to work on in terms of head work. I generally wind up replacing one or two head gaskets per month, and the 6 valve is simply much simpler, the 12 valve being much too intricate.

I'm done rambling for now. Thanx for the web site!

Larry.
hi shadownseiko, for 12 valve, i think one of the members here said he uses the value 0.10mm for intake and 0.12 for exhaust which are hot numbers, here was the link: https://www.suzuki-forums.com/suzuki-...onversion.html
I cant agree w/ you more. 6 valves is much easier to work with, when ever you want to pull just the head, but w/ the 12 Valves, you will need take out all the rocker arms and cam shaft before you can have access to the engine fasteners.

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hi shadownseiko,

hope you can help me with my problem so here goes...

i bought my 4x4 carry pickup feb 2005 without any problem except for the horn which sounds like a mouse. haha. anyway, in september of 2005 the timing belt broke while the carry was moving. needless to say, the mechanic said that bent some valves.

i ended up changing my F5A 6valve with a surplus one which i bought in banawe. i bought an F5A in evangelista but when i got to the shop the engine didnt match the tranny. the banawe engine (accdg to the mechanic) mixed oil with water but he allegedly fixed it already. he was the one who said my old engine needed to be brought to the machine shop and the cost would be same as buying a new one. i speculated he just wanted an easy job but i didn't know better then.

so now my problem is, when i reach 60kph, my engine makes this very loud grinding noise with a little vibration like as if it's asking for a higher gear. then when i reach above 70kph up the vibration and sound seems to become in harmony with all the other noises. i have a 4speed tranny and the 4x4 works. is there a speed limit for the different 4x4 settings?

kindly advise if its better for me to go back to my old engine and just have it fixed or can i fix my current setup with the new engine? btw, that mechanic (i didnt go back to him) didnt do a good job with the gaskets so im loosing oil fast. i'm seeing white smoke from the exhaust but it disappears when i reach highway speeds. there's also oil spitting out of the tailpipe during startups.

sorry if this is long but i had to ask before i go to the garage again. since you work with 4x4s i thought you could give me plenty of insight on this. thanks in advance!!!
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It sounds as though you have at least two different problems. First, it is obvious that you have a blown head gasket, a cracked head, or something similar. Chances are your good mechanic put some stop leak in the radiator, then told you he 'fixed it'. At any rate, the head needs to come off.

The vibration can be many things, and without feeling it myself I cannot make a good prognosis. I can give you some things to check. Check all fluid levels in the transmission and differentials. Check all universal joints for play. If you have locking hubs, set them on "free" and your trasnfer case in 2WD, you should then be able to turn freely the front drive shaft and axles. Check the belt pulleys, with the engine at idle watch and see if anything wobbles in the pulleys or fan. Check the fan blade for broken blades or wobble. If you don't find anything in any of this, you may have to go deeper, such as possibly something is incorrectly installed in the clutch and flywheel.

Good luck.

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hi larry,

wow! you really are a 4x4 genius. thanks in advance shadownseiko! will keep you posted on what happens after i check on everything you mentioned.

i noticed that there's a hole on top of the flywheel housing, there was supposed to be a rubber plug (about 1.5inches diameter) inserted there but my great mechanic probably lost it. would water entering there be a major problem? i think i'm also leaking gearbox oil but will be sure after i have the engine and tranny washed to remove the dirt and oils stuck on them.

i hope my block's not cracked. would defective piston rings produce smoke out the tailpipe too? how i wish i could bring my truck to your place for a thorough inspection!

i also noticed even in the 2WD mode, the propeller shaft from the 4x4 tranny going to the front wheels also turns in neutral when i push the truck with the engine off.

btw, checked a few items - fan, pulleys and belts are ok, need to go to a garage to have it lifted so i can check other stuff

whew! this is getting serious! but thanks and i really appreciate the advise!

tibs
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hi larry again,

let me again indulge on your generosity....

i noticed when i use the 4WD it sometimes hesitates (no movement when i press the gas) when the wheels are turned at a big angle but when the wheels are straight (or at a slight angle) there's no problem (even if there is no road but only rocks the size of softballs and soccerballs!).

i dont think i have locking hubs. mine is the type where you need to reverse the truck for about 2 meters to release the 4WD and go back to 2WD. i think i found traces or radiator sealant in the reservoir. but i dont loose coolant so is it safe to say that my cooling system is intact?

also, would it be possible to use my old F5A engine? the reason i asked is because i cant spare a long down time for my truck. i use it often for my business so i thought if i can work on my old engine then the only downtime would be when i swap the engines.

thanks again!

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hi larry! i would like to invite you to join our all filipino suzuki owners forum at Welcome to Club Carry Philippines!. hope you could be of help to our club sir. hope to see you sir soon!

yup its true in the states that you have to ask what you're looking for and they'll give it to you instantly. here in the philippines you have to be very very resourceful at that. most of us guys here ask only when there is a problem with our van.

ok sir larry see you at the forums!
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