1997 Alto 1.0 GL immobiliser Issue help please - Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site
Suzuki Forum Suzuki Forums

» Auto Insurance
» Featured Product
Wheel & Tire Center

Go Back   Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site > Suzuki Models > Other Suzuki Models > Suzuki Alto Forum
Register Home Forum Active Topics Photo Gallery Garage Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Auto EscrowAuto LoansInsurance Advertise

Suzuki-Forums.com is the premier Suzuki All Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-15-2015, 10:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
Newbie
 
kizerfluid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 9
Gallery: 0
kizerfluid is on a distinguished road
Default 1997 Alto 1.0 GL immobiliser Issue help please

typo made in topic title its a 1999 not 1997

first of all hi everyone

so my girlfriend is taking her driving test soon and she was going to have my old polo m2f GT as her first car but because of mods on it and it being a GT the insurance was comming back at 2600.

So i had a little hunt about for her and found a Suzuki Alto 1.0 GL with tax till end of may (On the old tax disk not new electronic tax) and MOT till 3rd of june and only 56k on the clock!

The guy wanted 95 delivered for the car and i spoke to him on the phone about it and he said "it ran fine up till recently then it wouldent start as it has a immobiliser issue"

So we decided to go look at it and its a very nice tidy car when the engine turns over it sounds very good. Has new oil in it new plugs and new air filter. only had 2 owners from new.(now 3)

She decided to go for it and in honest i think she got herself a cracking car for 95

so anyway got it back and had a look at it fiddled with stuff and flattened battery trying to get it started. Then realised the immobiliser antena was not pluged in under the dash so i pluged it in but still wouldent start.

Started getting worried and suspected the key was dead (Car only came with 1 key) so took the key to a automotive locksmith today and he tested the key for me and its fully working

so that leaves either the silver immobiliser box or the antena at fault so i thought "Hmm buy new ones"

Well i had an old polo so im used to hunting high and low on the internet for parts but my got this car just don't seem to exist on the internet i found the immobiliser for sale on ebay (From a suzuki wagon) has not got the same part number: 33970-75F00 (looks very similur but the part number i have is: 33970-75F01) and also i can't find the antena anywhere as it has no part number on it!

Someone please help
__________________
Dubs don't die. They just go down and out

Last edited by kizerfluid; 03-15-2015 at 10:59 AM.
kizerfluid is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-16-2015, 08:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Kingdom of England
Posts: 5,299
Gallery: 5
Rhinoman is on a distinguished road
Default

An immobiliser issue on these cars is usually a result of a poorly executed jump start that causes a voltage surge that damages the memory in the immobiliser box. The ECU, immo and keys are a matched set and can't be replaced individually, the immo can't be bypassed and the official fix is to replace the ECU and immo and have the key(s) matched to the new immo (about a grand at a dealer). Alternatively you can send the parts to a specialist (like me) who can replace the memory and recode everything.
There is very little difference between a 75F00 and a 75F01. Have you tried reading the fault codes or testing the antenna?
Rhinoman is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-19-2015, 08:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
Newbie
 
kizerfluid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 9
Gallery: 0
kizerfluid is on a distinguished road
Default

Hi thanks for getting back to us Rhinoman. Finaly found the antena for sale for 20 bought that waiting for it to be delivered.

I did try plugging my laptop in to read fault codes but when trying to connect to the car it said "could no establish a connection" i just put it down to the battery being flat (dash lights would come on but would not even try turn over) charged the battery today and the antena should turn up tomorrow

When you say damage from a jump start i take it you mean connecting both leads from the jumping car to the battery on the car to be jumped? instead of connecting possitive and grounding negative?

If so the previouse owner may have tryed to start it that way as when we turned up to view it. it had no battery in and he went to start it with jump leads and i stopped him from connecting both to the battery terminals and grounded the negative to the engine mount
__________________
Dubs don't die. They just go down and out
kizerfluid is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-20-2015, 01:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
Newbie
 
kizerfluid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 9
Gallery: 0
kizerfluid is on a distinguished road
Default

Yep well the key reader didnt work
kizerfluid is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-20-2015, 01:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Kingdom of England
Posts: 5,299
Gallery: 5
Rhinoman is on a distinguished road
Default

You have to place a jumper in the diagnostic connector for the immobiliser and then read the codes out from there, you will need to use a test lamp or oscilloscope. What is the model code of your Alto?
Rhinoman is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-21-2015, 08:14 AM   #6 (permalink)
Newbie
 
kizerfluid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 9
Gallery: 0
kizerfluid is on a distinguished road
Default

Where would I find that? On the vin?
kizerfluid is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-21-2015, 02:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
Newbie
 
kizerfluid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 9
Gallery: 0
kizerfluid is on a distinguished road
Default

So been tinkering today and found a few bits for ya Rhinoman.

This is the car we bought (don't know if it will let you view page as is now listed as sold)

SUZUKI ALTO 1.0 LITRE in Ventnor, Isle Of Wight

also with pins B&D bridged my OBD II software still could not read the car tryed bridging C&D, B&D, E&D

Please note first time i bridged C&D the car started for about a second then stopped again but it only did it once after that it wouldent start again.

Made a video for you to view as when B&D are bridged the CEL flashes a code but i have no idea what it is and can't find a guide to decypher it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Uw2bmldYU

Iv noticed there seems to be a massive lack of info on the internet for this model of Alto so hopefully ppl in future will stuble on this thread and it can help them.
kizerfluid is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-21-2015, 06:14 PM   #8 (permalink)
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Kingdom of England
Posts: 5,299
Gallery: 5
Rhinoman is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kizerfluid View Post
Where would I find that? On the vin?
PM me the VIN and I will look it up. The 1999 Alto isn't OBD2 so your software won't work, it uses a protocol Suzuki call SDL.
The flashing lamp on key on indicates an immobiliser problem, the code is 83 which is Serial Data Link fault as explained here:
Check Engine Light

That particular fault code isn't very useful because it covers a number of faults, most likely it is because the key is not recognised by the immobiliser or the immobiliser memory is corrupt and its not sending its own codes to the ECU.
The immo has its own diagnostic connector. The 75F00/011 is essentially the same as that fitted in Vitaras but with a different mounting bracket. You can refer to the FSM supplement linked below for more information on how the immobiliser circuit works.
http://www.rhinoman.org/manuals/vitara/99501_60G10.pdf
Rhinoman is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-22-2015, 12:38 PM   #9 (permalink)
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Kingdom of England
Posts: 5,299
Gallery: 5
Rhinoman is on a distinguished road
Default

You have an SH410-3, the service manuals are here:

http://www.rhinoman.org/manuals/Alto/Alto 99500M70F00-01E.pdf

http://www.rhinoman.org/manuals/Alto/Alto 99500M70F01-01E.pdf
Rhinoman is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-24-2015, 09:38 AM   #10 (permalink)
Newbie
 
kizerfluid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 9
Gallery: 0
kizerfluid is on a distinguished road
Default

Sent you a pm but you havent replied just to let you know i sent the stuff off to you.
__________________
Dubs don't die. They just go down and out
kizerfluid is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site > Suzuki Models > Other Suzuki Models > Suzuki Alto Forum

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:49 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.