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Old 06-08-2019, 09:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Basic info first, my current GV is my third Suzi, I had another '06 GV and it too had the keyless start but this one only has one key fob. Both my wife and I dislike the huge keyless start fobs and also the cost, so how expensive and difficult is it to convert to just the keyless entry system?

If I had a key that was cut to the ignition switch, I would be happy. I love the convenience of a key fob but when we are in our RV the mass of keys is just too big and heavy, just having a key at that point would be fine with me. Can a key be cut for the ignition switch and used without having the fob around?

This is my first day of using this forum and so I'm kind of feeling my way around. Nothing specific to this subject turned up in my search so I'm trying here.
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Old 06-08-2019, 01:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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First - there's a key in the fob that you can take out - at which point the fob is no longer necessary.

Second - the vehicles are all delivered with two keys & fobs, so you need to ask the previous owner (or dealer) where the other key is - be aware that someone else has a key that can unlock & start your car.

That out of the way - it's not as simple as just cutting a new key, the head of the key contains a transponder chip that, if you're using an OEM key, the immobilizer in the vehicle needs to be programmed to recognize, or, if you're using an aftermarket key, needs to be "cloned" to match a key that the immobilizer recognizes.

What puzzles me about your question is, how does a "keyless entry system" work without a fob? All the ones I've seen are either a fob has to be present when you push the button on the door, or a fob with a button on it that you push.
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I concur with Fordem, you can get a key but and cloned and programmed, then you are back to basics, key entry and key start without the fob. Fob is required for keyless entry, no way around that.
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I have a 2007 USA Grand Vitara and the cut key doesn't need a chip. You will have to possibly grind the plastic down to fit.

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Basic info first, my current GV is my third Suzi, I had another '06 GV and it too had the keyless start but this one only has one key fob. Both my wife and I dislike the huge keyless start fobs and also the cost, so how expensive and difficult is it to convert to just the keyless entry system?



If I had a key that was cut to the ignition switch, I would be happy. I love the convenience of a key fob but when we are in our RV the mass of keys is just too big and heavy, just having a key at that point would be fine with me. Can a key be cut for the ignition switch and used without having the fob around?



This is my first day of using this forum and so I'm kind of feeling my way around. Nothing specific to this subject turned up in my search so I'm trying here.
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I have a 2007 USA Grand Vitara and the cut key doesn't need a chip. You will have to possibly grind the plastic down to fit.

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That may be dependent on the market, my 2005 (same body style) does have a chip, and as far as I know, if you have keyless entry with keyless start (which will let you unlock and drive the car without taking the key out of your pocket or purse), it will have the immobilizer and the key will need to be programmed.

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You're saying you had the key cut to just open the doors - on an immobilizer equipped vehicle, an "unchipped" key will open the doors, but not start the engine, does the cut key start the car?

If the car does not start, it will be because the immobilizer is preventing it and your solution does not meet the original posters needs.
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This is the USA version only.

I have a 2007 GV.

No immobilization needed, the new cut key starts the car without any kind of chip.



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This is the USA version only.

I have a 2007 GV.

No immobilization needed, the new cut key starts the car without any kind of chip.



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Does your car have the "keyless" start option - can you start it without inserting the key into the ignition switch?

JB series and later Grand Vitaras have an optional keyless entry/keyless start system that has a knob over the ignition switch which can be used to turn the switch without the key being inserted - these models will also have a push button on the exterior door handles that allow the doors to be unlocked, again without the key being inserted.

This is what the original poster is asking about.
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Yes I have the luxury GV with the wireless start key that just need to be near the ignition to allow the twist to start.

The little key that comes out of the fob is what I copied.

Without the wireless key fob near by both the original (Looks like it has a chip from the exterior design) and the chipless copy key start my GV.

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Yes I have the luxury GV with the wireless start key that just need to be near the ignition to allow the twist to start.

The little key that comes out of the fob is what I copied.

Without the wireless key fob near by both the original (Looks like it has a chip from the exterior design) and the chipless copy key start my GV.

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if a RFID chipped key is within a foot of the ignition antenna then you can start it with a non chipped key.

leave the fob and chipped key in the house, open the door with the non chipped key then try starting it. I would be interested in your results. If it starts I then suspect your security module is not functioning as it should.
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