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Old 11-25-2009, 07:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I HAVE A 2000 SUZIKI VITARA 4WD, MANUFACTURED IN CANADA DOWN HERE IN THE US VIRGIN ISLANDS PURCHASED USED FROM A RENTAL CAR COMPANY.

IT HAS A 1.6 LITRE ENGINE AND 40,000 TOUGH MILES.

THE AIR, FUEL AND OIL FILTERS HAVE ALL BEEN CHANGED WITHIN THE LAST 500 MILES AND THE OIL SEEMS CLEAN. THE PLUGS ARE REALTIVELY NEW AS THEY WERE CHANGED WITH THE HEAD WITHIN THE LAST 1000 MILES OR SO.

IT STARTED RUNNING A LITTLE ROUGH, WE GET THE SMELL OF GAS ON START UP AND THE SERVICE ENGINE LIGHT SOON HAS COME ON.

ANY SUGGESTIONS AS TO WHAT IT NEEDS OR WHAT I SHOULD DO ?

I HAVE NO MANUAL FOR THE CAR.

I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY HELP.

THANK YOU.

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Old 02-21-2010, 09:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Service Engine Soon light is on and off and on

SDARAPAHO, did you ever figure out what caused the "Service Engine Soon" light to come on?

This light on my daughters 2003 XL-7 V-6 has come on also..........it goes off for a short time and back on later..........can anyone help me with this issue?

I appreciate hearing back from you SD.....if you found out what the problem was.

A reponse from anyone else would be most appreciated.
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This light also is called a SES switch light, meaning "Service Engine Soon."
The factory cleverly "hid" the location of this switch, so you would take the vehicle into the dealer for service; of course GM doesn't service GEO Trackers any longer, we've learned.

These SES lights comes on "also" for servicing the engine at various intervals, like 30K miles, 50K miles, 75K miles, etc.

After the interval service is performed, the switch is reset by the dealer,but they don't tell you where it is.

So, here's where the switch can be found. Sit in the driver's seat, look at your left knee area, and look for the speaker cover. Behind that cover is the speaker for the radio. And at the 1 0clock position, about an inch away, is the SES switch.

Now that you know where it is, here's how to switch it off. Look down at the steering column, and take your fingers and pull off the small rectangular type cover, about 3x6 inches. It snaps in/out. Now take your right hand, and to the left side of the opening, slide your hand inside, past the cabling, and feel around with your fingers "upward" from the 9oclock position, You should be able to feel the "slider" type switch with a finger. It is sticking out of a small switch box, and the switch itself is about a half inch side, and sticks out about a half inch. It slides up and down. Move it to the opposite position. Now turn your key on, start the engine, and see if the light goes off. If it does - likely the problem is solved, if it is a signal from the computer that turned the switch on for service engine soon for interval servicing. If the light does not go out, it may be something else. What that something else is, don't know. But typically i've learned, is that it comes on for various "interval" servicing. Hope this helps.

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This light also is called a SES switch light, meaning "Service Engine Soon."
The factory cleverly "hid" the location of this switch, so you would take the vehicle into the dealer for service; of course GM doesn't service GEO Trackers any longer, we've learned.

These SES lights comes on "also" for servicing the engine at various intervals, like 30K miles, 50K miles, 75K miles, etc.

After the interval service is performed, the switch is reset by the dealer,but they don't tell you where it is.

So, here's where the switch can be found. Sit in the driver's seat, look at your left knee area, and look for the speaker cover. Behind that cover is the speaker for the radio. And at the 1 0clock position, about an inch away, is the SES switch.

Now that you know where it is, here's how to switch it off. Look down at the steering column, and take your fingers and pull off the small rectangular type cover, about 3x6 inches. It snaps in/out. Now take your right hand, and to the left side of the opening, slide your hand inside, past the cabling, and feel around with your fingers "upward" from the 9oclock position, You should be able to feel the "slider" type switch with a finger. It is sticking out of a small switch box, and the switch itself is about a half inch side, and sticks out about a half inch. It slides up and down. Move it to the opposite position. Now turn your key on, start the engine, and see if the light goes off. If it does - likely the problem is solved, if it is a signal from the computer that turned the switch on for service engine soon for interval servicing. If the light does not go out, it may be something else. What that something else is, don't know. But typically i've learned, is that it comes on for various "interval" servicing. Hope this helps.

~~ Gunny

if this vehicle was produced for the north american market, there is no such "ses switch".
the light is on telling you that there is a stored trouble code.
first thing to do is get it scanned, then go from there..
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well, on my 94 Geo Tracker, there is a switch. I have already located it. This hidden switch as I understand, serves a dual purpose (1) its a "nag" switch connected to the speedometer, that sends out a "check engine" signal light, at varying intervals, via the ECU, and (2) a true DTC also turns on this same light.

I have 77K on the odometer, and it started doing this at 74K, and every so often, comes on again, after moving the switch position. I have run an Obd1 diagnostic, and there is no DTC showing anything wrong, in fact it shows a 12, which is an "all okay" signal.

Yes, I understand that Cali and Canadian Trackers don't have the switch. But the lower 48 states required this switch. After having talked to another on a different thread, have learned best way to avoid this "nag switch" is to pull the plug loose from the odometer, and then if switch does come back on, it becomes a real DTC, with a softer glow -- rather than the much brighter glow due to the dual inputs. Have verified this in the dark, upon moving the switch from one position to the other.

BTW, the switch is located at about the left knee level from driver's seat, and can be reached by removing the snap on cover below the steering cover, placing the hand at the 9oclock position and using the fingers, feel upwards an inch or so, to feel the small switch, which is a slider, and cleverly hidden by the manufacturer, where at the time only technicians at dealerships knew its location. This is the SES (Service Engine Soon) switch.

I am planning to pull the plug at the odom tomorrow to hopefully cure this problem. Will advise. Before I pull the plug tho, I may just disconnect the neg side of the battery for 5 minutes, to see if it resets. If it does reset, this will be proof of the interval "nag" switch; which may keep it off, until the ECU decides at a certain mileage interval to switch it back on. I am beginning to believe this switch (up or down positions), is controlled by the ECU, no matter what position it is in; and that's what seems to be happening now.

Source on much of this stuff: http://www.kick-fix.com/CEL/CEL.html
He includes drawings and a more in depth understanding of the "whys" of the Check Engine light coming on and gives good insight to the problem, including DTC real time trouble codes.

~~ Gunny

94 Tracker, AT, 3speed, 77K miles, 2WD.

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noone's calling you a liar or anything..
but ithink we're talking about different animals here.
this is a 2000 model year OBD2
not too much in common with your 94..
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