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Old 05-10-2013, 10:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Headlights stay ON - 2001 Chevy Tracker

This is on a 2001 Chevy Tracker 2.5L, auto 125K miles, it has a Mars-22 Remote Starter which I think also has an alarm too, unless it is a factory alarm but there is an alarm on it for sure. It is not a daily driver.

A new battery (installed by the PO) has gone dead a couple times before I figured out (last nite) the headlights were coming on intermittently. At least I had not noticed it before but that could easily be missed during daylight. It was dark when I noticed it.

So after charging the battery all nite (last nite) then keeping an eye on it for awhile when the lites didn't come on again I re-programmed the remotes so the system recognized them. Drove it a short while today and did NOT notice the lites on during that time, so back home we went.

After sundown I saw the headlights on again - this is headlights and tail lights with the engine OFF and the key removed. They come on all by themselves. But wouldn't go off when I stepped on the brakes like they did last nite. This Tracker does not have an auto ON headlight control as the knob has OFF, Park, & Headlights, unless this is after market add-on?

So I immediately disconnected the battery again - gave it some time then hooked the battery back up but did NOT re-program the remotes this time. After only a short while the headlights were on bright again.

So time to dig in to find out what is going on. First thing I noticed is there is a momentary switch mounted to the kick panel which I knew nothing about. I could hear a relay click on then off about every 20 seconds.

Removing the panels to see what is going on I found a green wire (22 ga) just hanging with the bare tip within reach of a metal stud (screw type) which is suspicious. Tracing it back I found two Omega AU-8 relays which apparently are designed to handle headlights? (30-40A relays). Placing a finger on these relays they do NOT appear to be the clicking noise I am hearing but the clicking continues the whole time I am on my knees there.

Omega AU-8 (au8) SPDT 30/40A Relay - Sonic Electronix

I saw 2 other (smaller factory) relays near the fuse panel and another larger relay that also don't appear to be making the clicking noise.

The momentary switch did NOT have any wires attached and nothing I found looked like they fell off the switch. The switch is mounted to the kick panel and up off the floor. Kind of awkward if it was supposed to be some kind of panic alarm. I guess it could have been something to disable the starter?

I did find an orange wire with a crimp type splice connector missing a wire in one end. Placing the green wire in the connector did not eliminate the clicking nor did it turn on the headlights or anything else I could see.

The green wire showed about 10 volts on it and nothing happened when I touched it to the screw (ground?) I found it near.

So as it stands now I have not yet reprogrammed the remotes AND I have not seen the headlights come back on but think I will dc the battery overnight to avoid draining it yet again.

So would anyone have any clues what that clicking noise every 20 seconds might be? I am wondering if it is the alarm checking for something?

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If I didn't see this I wouldn't believe it. As I walked to a car parked in front of this Tracker the headlights went on once again. So I dc'd the battery and put the charger on it.

Who knows how many times it came on while I was typing out the above post. Oh the clicking noise was still going on too.
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First - the Omega relays you link to are standard automotive relays and can be used to control anything, Suzuki does not fit that style, so you're looking at some aftermarket add in.

Second - a 2001 Vitara has two headlight relays (that's what they are called), one of which controls the headlights (only) and the other controls the park lights - I suspect those will be located in the driver's side foot well, but I've never needed to look for them so I'm not 100% certain - if those relays are not clicking as the lights go on & off , then someone may have done some "wiring modifications", and you'll need to track that down and either disconnect it, or figure out how & why it works.
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First - the Omega relays you link to are standard automotive relays and can be used to control anything, Suzuki does not fit that style, so you're looking at some aftermarket add in.

Second - a 2001 Vitara has two headlight relays (that's what they are called), one of which controls the headlights (only) and the other controls the park lights - I suspect those will be located in the driver's side foot well, but I've never needed to look for them so I'm not 100% certain - if those relays are not clicking as the lights go on & off , then someone may have done some "wiring modifications", and you'll need to track that down and either disconnect it, or figure out how & why it works.
No doubt there are after market addons and wiring mods.

What I suspect are the factory headlight relays (adjacent to the fuse panel) were not clicking when I felt them. There must be other relays under the dash.

Also the headlights are not coming on when I hear this clicking every 20 seconds. It's just the sound of a relay clicking - could it be the Mars-22 looking for the remotes?
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Reading this reminded me, mine has done this on occasion before and we have been getting some rain here also.

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I've got a 2001 Chevy Tracker (aka Vitara). 2.0L, automatic, A/C, power everything.

Occasionally the interior fan and running lights will stay on, even after I have shut off the vehicle and removed the key.

This only happens during extended periods of really wet weather. It is sporadic and not predictable. Often the interior fan and running lights will come on hours after I have parked the vehicle. The lights seem to be triggered by the night sensor on the dash, because they won't come on by themselves during the day. This results in a dead battery when I try to start the truck in the morning. I have resorted to disconnecting the battery when I park.
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Moving the fan selector switch seemed to turn the fan off but it is freaky like the thing is possessed. I never knew the headlights came on until 2 nites ago. Who knows IF the fan was coming on when the engine is off too.

Anyone have a wiring schematic for a 2001 Tracker?

Edit: Is the light sensor up in the rear view mirror?
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Most/all car alarm setups will flash the headlights when locking and when they are triggered. I would remove the power source from the alarm system and see if that alleviates the problem. Since it is an after market mod, I would consider it the most likely culprit.
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Most/all car alarm setups will flash the headlights when locking and when they are triggered. I would remove the power source from the alarm system and see if that alleviates the problem. Since it is an after market mod, I would consider it the most likely culprit.
The first nite the lights only stayed on a minute or two and it seemed like touching the brakes or moving the headlight switch would turn them off. That I know of when locking/unlocking the doors it would chirp and flash parking lights. When starting it would turn on lights, I thought it was just the parking lights but could be wrong.

I wonder if disconnecting this alarm thing will keep it from starting with the key?

Edit: But then last nite the lights stayed on and nothing I did would make a diff. except disconnecting the battery.
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I would assume that you would not lose any normal functions by disconnecting this system. It is an auxiliary circuit that piggybacks your factory wiring. Worse case you plug it back in.
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The only other systems that turn your lights on are:
Headlight control switch
Daytime running lamps
Auto headlights (when it senses light or lack of)

I have links to disable the later two if you would like to see them.
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YES, please post the links.
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