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Old 09-02-2019, 08:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Wait what? Check balls are going to fall out when I remove the valve body? This, just to remove a cable?

How are they oriented, loose on the top of the valve body? Didn't see that in the manual.

What does everyone else do, just balance them carefully in those channels as the valve body is lowered, and replace them the same way?

This is the sort of thing that drives me nuts.
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Wait what? Check balls are going to fall out when I remove the valve body? This, just to remove a cable?

How are they oriented, loose on the top of the valve body? Didn't see that in the manual.

What does everyone else do, just balance them carefully in those channels as the valve body is lowered, and replace them the same way?

This is the sort of thing that drives me nuts.
page 118 of the manual (section 7B1-38) , 2 check balls with springs, 1 without a spring, item #7

vaseline (white petroleum jelly) is best thing to stick them in place as it dissolves with ATF and doesn't cause any harm.

This is why i remove transmissions and hang them on a stand when working on them.

If you can get the cable disconnected without removing the valve body then good luck, I have managed it once, but it was a battle.
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Ok thanks. In terms of auto repair, if there's one thing I'm good at, it's knowing my limits. This thing with the check balls and springs and vasoline is past my limits.

So I'm switching gears. I've attached 2 more photos. In 1 photo I point to the cam above the valve body where this TV cable is attached. On my parts car, I'm able to pull the cable outward from under the hood, then pull the bottom of the cable outward from the location in the photo. Hoping this pull / pull action and some lube will free the cable up well enough to drive the car, or at least drive it to a transmission shop.

In the 2nd photo, I've pointed to something bolted to the side of the trans. What is this thing and - IF it can be removed - will it give me better access to the TV cable? In one thread ( https://www.suzuki-forums.com/2g-199...le-detent.html ), post #3, the OP talks about "shift cable bracket" and a "transmission shifter switch assembly". Is that what I've pointed to in this photo? Can it be removed without springs and balls flying around, and if so, would it be helpful to pull that assembly to get better access to the cable?

Thanks again. Sorry for all the questions. As I say, I am completely unfamiliar with automatic transmissions and I don't think it would be a good idea to start educating myself on them in these circumstances.
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yep, first pic is the item you need to get the cable off, standard cable end on it like the throttle cables have.
second pic id the switch assembly for park and neutral stat lockout. That can be removed of you're careful, mark where meets the trans so you have no issues with shift indication and starting when you re-assemble.

if you can work that cable off the quadrant then you will be doing well. Car is perfectly safe to drive with kickdown cable disconnected at throttle end, just means the shift points may be different (obviously kickdown holds lower gear for a bit longer and delays upshifts, or drops a gear for faster accel if you mash the foot down)

So, if you're not confident, disconnect it at the throttle end and drive it to a shop.
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Yesterday we did as I indicated. With the cable stuck in the extended position, my son would oil the cable and I'd rotate that cam from under the car with a screwdriver. This pulled the upper part of the cable back into its sheath. Then my son pulled it back out with pliers. After repeating many many times, the cable did finally loosen up to where it would spring back, but only part way.

After a couple hours of this we reattached the TV cable to the cam on the throttle body, reinstalled the pan and front prop shaft, added trans fluid, and gave it a test drive.

Earlier, with the stuck cable, my son got a CEL and trouble codes signalling misfires on 2 cylinders. Now, after clearing the codes and with the cable partially unstuck, it runs much better but not perfectly. Good low end power, seems to shift properly at low speed (didn't go on freeway yet). But it seems to hesitate and misfire a bit on idle and at low rpms. Most curious is that the idle now seems to be "searching" - randomly goes up and down within a small range, maybe a couple thousand rpms. And we have no trouble codes.

So it's better but not perfect. My sense is that we are still suffering the effects of a partially stuck cable. Does anyone have any better ideas? Thanks again.
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I think we had 2 problems. Both related to power washing the engine. Good lesson.

On a hunch I suggested my son look for water in his spark plug wells ... and sure enough, about a half inch of watery oily goo in several of them. He cleaned out all 6 wells and this appears to have solved the searching idle and misfire problems, thankfully.

With further TV cable adjustments per the FSM his car now drives pretty well. We've declared victory and on my recommendation he's going to take it to a transmission shop for a quote to replace the cable with new. But there's no emergency and I'm thankful.

Thanks again for all your help.
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make a Plasticine funnel for the top of the cable, and mix up a teaspoon of ATF with 1/2 a teaspoon of kerosene and fill the funnel, this will wick down the cable and lube it and won't hurt the trans if it makes it all the way down, use will free the cable up. (excuse for crazy full throttle takeoffs at the lights hehehe)

i was wondering how a kickdown cable was causing a miss, but you have found it, this is why you use a garden hose and a brush, not a power washer in an engine bay.
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