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Old 03-13-2007, 09:27 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I don't know what to say about your code issues. I wouldn't neglect any trouble code the computer spits out. Seems like the domino effect happens if you let one go, something else pops up. Example, I went to the dealer today just to confirm what Autozone found regarding the oxygen sensor. Now I'm getting two other errors, P1443 evaporator emmission value and one for the wheel speed sensor. What ever that is, the part cost $200+ they say it's a computerized sensor.

Anyway, I just got the O2 sensors today and will let you know how the installation go's.
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Old 03-14-2007, 09:27 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Today I installed two of the four O2 sensors and it wasn't too bad. I had fewer issues with the plastic clips that Max reference because they are located on top of the engine near the firewall and easy to unplug. Getting to the sensors was not so bad on the passenger side, on the drivers side it's much tighter (which is why I stopped with two). The layout of the inline six is different than the pics Max put up. The way they are positioned in relation to the manifold and catalytic converted, lead me to guess the bank 1 sensors are on the passenger side because they appear before the CC (which you can't actually see because of a heat sheild). I will snap some pictures later this week and put them up. Anyway, I had the codes scanned and the P0031 is indeed gone.
However, more codes have surfaced so the engine light was back on within the hour. I have ordered the evaporator emission control system valve from the dealer (a $50 part) and will be replacing that soon. My bigger problem is that dreaded wheel sensor problem that has my ABS light on. This is something I will need the dealer to handle because I can't even figure out where they are
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Old 03-17-2007, 04:52 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Techfella, thanks for the info but the code P0700 turned out to be my gas cap. Up here in Canada gas spiked up to $4.50/gallon and I've been putting in only a few gallons at a time hoping the price falls after the so called gas shortage we have is over. It was alledgedly caused by a refinery fire. I must have not tightened the cap properly. After about 5 on/off cycles of my engine, the engine light went off. I have no clue what the other codes were, but I won't worry if the light is off. At least these cars keep us learning.
$4.50/gal ouch! I'm in Chicago and we average $2.50 right now. I wish my problems boiled down to a gas cap.
Anyway, I'm glad I bought a ODB-II scanner, it does take the guess work out of trying to fix the car. It helped me track down a vacum problem and a faulty spark plug. I wish I knew more about the ABS code P1382, it simply says wheel speed sensor. There are four on the car and it could be anything between the computer to the sensor on one of the wheels. Max, if are still reading this thread, I would appreciate any insight. I inspected all the obvious stuff, wiring harness, brake pads, fluid levels, everything looks fine. The car brakes OK, but with the ABS light on means that safety feature is not operable.
FYI: I subscribed to AutozoneDIY.com which has proved helpful in sorting this out, but I'm a little lost on this problem.
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Old 08-23-2007, 06:32 PM   #24 (permalink)
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First let me say I wish I had never bought this damn car. I live in Chicago and have the worst time finding parts or service centers for my 04 Verona. Back in March I posted some O2 sensor questions and thanks to a few great posters I managed to order and replace two of the four with little trouble. But now it seems the problem is back and I also have issues with the "injector harness". The car running running rough at idle and acceleration speeds. I took it to the dealer and got a laundry list of needed repairs to the turn of $1300+. I'm sick to my stomach about all the problems and the extended warranttee I have is only covering the injector harness ($300). I think the dealer is jerking me a bit because they didn't want to deal with the warrantee company until I persisted. Other evidence is the ABS light is on and my code scanner says it's a wheel speed sensor, yet the dealer says nothing came up on the diagnostics. Then why is the ABS light on? Plus the wheels make a hoorible screetching noice at very low speeds. It's not the brakes because I had rebestos pads put on in June.

Anyway, I'm posting the list of repairs in hopes someone sees it and can offer some advice on what I can do myself vs. recommending the dealer do it. Bottom line is I don't have $1000 to pay for the repairs.

Injector wiring harness (thats being fixed under warrentee) $300
Vacume canister ($149)
Intake solenoid ?($51)
O2 sensors ($150 ea.)
Wheel senors (4) I have no idea which one(s) are faulty because the dealer said nothing is coming up on the diag.


Also are all the trouble code I got
P1382
P0305
P0306
P0032
P1443

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Dang Tech, you sound pretty bummed out.

How about another dealer in the area? Worth a try for some honest answers and warranty coverage maybe?

You've got a handle on the O2 sensors from before.

On those codes...I assume that you've already broken them all down. If not, let me know which one (one's) are still not ID'd, and I'll try and figure them out.

I don't like the sounds (literally) of the ABS / brake system. That needs priority attention, as I'm sure you feel the same way. Double check the caliper pistons, pads and rotors, even though recently installed w/new pads. Something is foul there.

We're here for ya! Hang in there and take it one problem at a time.
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Old 08-24-2007, 06:45 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Thanks again for responding. Going to another dealer is the plan when I get the car back next week. I'm letting them fix the injector harness becuase the car is there already and it's covered by the warranttee.

Check this out, the service guy says ALL the O2 sensors are the wrong kind. If you remember I only replaced the two before the cat converter (which I did not tell him) but he insist all are the incorrect parts. I bought the car new so the parts I didn't replace should be OEM. Thats another reason I think their jerkin my chain. However, I am wondering if the Bosch universal O2 sensors I bought were incompatible? Can you point me to a place to buy OEM parts? I'm having a hard time finding things for the car.
Anyway here's the code breakdown from Alldatadyi.com

DTC P0031 Upstream Heated Oxygen Sensor Bank 1 Heater Low Voltage
DTC P1382 Wheel Speed Sensor Malfunction (dealer said nothing came up on this, but I found it in my test)
DTC P0305 Cylinder 5 Misfire Detected
DTC P0306 Cylinder 6 Misfire Detected
DTC P1443 Evaporative Emission System Purge Control Valve Malfunction (stuck in Open Position) I wonder is this the "intake solenoid" he referred to?
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I bought some axle seals from this dealer...Suzuki Depot / Tom's Truck Parts, out of Calif. 1-800-238-9308.

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Did that, rather than hassle w/the local dealer / trip.

On the O2's not being the correct ones per the dealer...not sure how he came up w/that. Part # or visual ID? FWIW, I believe those area OEM sensors are the same except for the wiring portion (diff lengths on my V-6 for instance) thus diff part #'s.
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Thanks for the parts lead, them seem to have everything I need. As to the O2 sensor thing, the service manager did a visual ID and said they were the wrong ones because I did have to crimp the original plugs on the new ones. But again I only replaced two of the four so he's still right. Anyway, I'm just waiting for them to finish the harness repair, should get the car back next Tues or Wed. I'll keep you posted.
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If this were a horse I could just shoot it and be done with this nightmare. I picked up my car yesterday and it runs as bad as before. They replaced the harness? a PVC valve and a rubber hose. During the inspection and diagnosis part the service manager tells me there is a major problem with the "short block" they run a compression test and it shows 160psi on cylinder #4. What any of this means if greek to me. He said "IF" Suzuki approves it under warrentee I get a new engine. However, the word is they want 10 oil change reciepts showing I did my part in maintaining the car before they would even break the engine down for a further inspection. The dealer I bought the car from went belly up 18-24 months ago no one seems to have the old service records. Occording to Suzuki the dealers don't not transmit that data to them. Besides, on at least three occassions I changed to oil myself (I'm old school). Anyway, I feel like I'm about to be let out in the cold here. I am taking to another dealer next week because I got horrible service at this last one. The service manager was a real a-hole. More on the saga later.
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A compression test uses the starter to turn the engine over and measure how much cylinder pressure can be achieved in several cranking revolutions. Low numbers indicate leaking past either piston rings or valves.

Did they give the figures for the other cylinders? 160 psi isn't a necessarily low figure. It's a matter of the pressure relationship between ALL cylinders. Meaning, if one tests 160 and the REST are 180-200 or something, that one out of spec (low) cylinder has issues or possibly a testing procedure malady. But if ALL of the cylinders are pretty close in pressure across the board, I wouldn't put all my faith in that one test only. A LEAK DOWN test, once again performed to each cylinder, is the most precise, as opposed to a COMPRESSION test.

Yeah, you need a 2nd opinion.

Are you getting any codes now? If running that badly, the ECU should throw a mis-fire code in that cylinder at LEAST!
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