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Old 11-17-2011, 05:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Suzuki Oil Filter vs other filters.

Went to the dealer today to get a filter for my car and got to talking to the service advisor who stated that if I ever had a lifter issue with my car and was running a fram or other after market filter that Suzuki would not cover it under warranty due to Suzuki oil filters having a bypass valve built into them for cold starts. Our cars have hydraulic lifters which bleed down some while sitting. Just some info I wanted to share. They did state that The Mobil 1 filters were acceptable as they also have a bypass valve in them.

Also found out that my first 3 oil changes are free, sure would have been nice if the salesman would have told me that!!!
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Went to the dealer today to get a filter for my car and got to talking to the service advisor who stated that if I ever had a lifter issue with my car and was running a fram or other after market filter that Suzuki would not cover it under warranty due to Suzuki oil filters having a bypass valve built into them for cold starts. Our cars have hydraulic lifters which bleed down some while sitting. Just some info I wanted to share. They did state that The Mobil 1 filters were acceptable as they also have a bypass valve in them.
I think it's safe to say that the SX4 will never have trouble with it's hydraulic lifters because it doesn't have any. The J20A and J20B engines have shim adjusted lifters. That service advisor will have to rethink his BS.
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I guess this guy has never taken a suzuki oil filter apart. The filter has paper end caps just like a Fram does. As for bypass valve most good after market filters that i taken apart have bypass valves. If you want more info on oil filters go to youtube. There are plenty of videos of oil filter comparisons. Boy i would have field day with this guy.
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Mrclean - seek legal advice if Suzuki or any other manufacturer ever attempts to deny you warranty coverage because you didn't use their oil/air filter/whatever - you may be covered under the Magnuson-Moss warranty act.

PaulD - I don't know what your source of information is, but it's not entirely correct - my J20A DOES have hydraulic lifters - and the lifters are not the only reason to use an OEM Suzuki filter - the hydraulic tensioners on the timing chains are a second and possibly more important reason.

Now - I don't know what you guys pay for an oil filter, but I can get OEM Suzuki for around $6/each, and they are the only thing I use now - in the past I have used other brands (with an anti-drain back valve) and know from personal experience that the OEM filter eliminates timing chain rattle on a cold start, which the other brands did not - at that price why risk using anything else? Engines are expensive, filters are not.
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PaulD - I don't know what your source of information is, but it's not entirely correct - my J20A DOES have hydraulic lifters - and the lifters are not the only reason to use an OEM Suzuki filter - the hydraulic tensioners on the timing chains are a second and possibly more important reason.
Around the time the SX4 was introduced the hydraulic lifters were changed to shimmed buckets. Was there a J20 before the J20A?
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I think I'll stick with the Suzuki oil filter, then I eliminate a lot of headache down the road if there is ever a problem, thanks for all the info!

From the research I have done it does have hydraulic lifters, I will double verify this when I get my oil changed and have the parts guy show me on the computer.
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Why does BS take precedence over FACT?
Fact.... there are NO hydraulic valve lifters in the 4 cylinder SX4 engine. If you doubt that, look at the FREE service manual that's offered for download on the SX4Club forum.

So what constitutes a "Suzuki Oil Filter"? Do you really know and I don't mean something told to you by a Service Writer.

I've gone through two Suzuki dealers so far and both of them use "Champion" (Champ) filters. I specifically asked my last Suzuki Service Manager if I could use Purolator or FRAM filters and he said an unqualified "Yes!".

This is supposed to be a place where people can get GOOD information, not Bull S***! So lets cut out the Bull. Eh?

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Around the time the SX4 was introduced the hydraulic lifters were changed to shimmed buckets. Was there a J20 before the J20A?
As far as I know the J20A is the first release of the J20 series - however - the J20A was in existence for many years before the SX4 was introduced, and there are large quantities of the J20A engine out there with hydraulic lifters.

I am aware that later versions of the J20 use a bucket & ship arrangement, but cannot definitively state whether that is the J20A or J20B - what I will state is that there are J20A engines with hydraulic lifters and lots of them - RH420 Aerios, SV420 Vitaras (96~98) SQ420 Escudos, Vitaras & Grand Vitaras (98~05).

I don't have an SX4 part listing (they weren't sold here) so I can't tell you if any of them had hydraulic lifters, but there are certainly J20A engines with them.

The other thing I'll say is that to the best of my knowledge, the J20 engines with the bucket & shim lifters still have the hydraulic timing chain tensioners - they were used on the JB420 Grand Vitaras (06~) and at least from my point of view, the tensioners are more crtical to the life of the engine than the lifters - I can live with a noisy lifter, but a loose chain can break the guides which then drop into the sprockets and jam the chain - resulting in a VERY expensive repair.
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WOW I didn't think I'd trip over such a good thread. I've got an '08 SX4 (68k) with cold start timing chain rattle too. I'm using the K&N 1003 for the past three years and just now I notice this rattle in the morning. I also use 8oz's of Tufoil every oil change but I'll try another filter if it will nix the rattle. Any oil filter brands, part no.s, and source will be much appreciated.

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Trainlinezoo - if the onset of rattle coincides with the colder wather, it may be related to the grade or weight of oil you're using - take a look at the manual and if necessary change the oil.

I'm using a Suzuki OEM filter P/n 16510-61AV0.
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