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Old 06-15-2017, 09:15 AM   #31 (permalink)
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The logic is that if this was a fuel issue or vacuum issue, revving the engine would have some noticeable effect, whereas if this was electrical/spark, revving would be meaningless. Normally, loss of spark is much more immediate and 'violent' than loss of fuel. While I don't know if this is related to the gray wire - these old cars can often have more than one issue - the fact that your test indicates that you don't have the TPS signal/voltage on that gray wire indicates at least one problem that needs to be corrected- and having an inaccurate signal from the TPS, or a dead spot, etc., might cause this.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:09 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Thank you! Ugh. Life's been busy. Hoping to get to this on Sunday. Will keep you posted.
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Ok. So. I first tested the continuity of the grey/red wire from the TPS to the grey/red wire to the ECU. It showed continuity. It jumped up to 1.something ohms and slowly decreased to zero. BUT the only pin (because I tested everyone) was in fact grey/red however, it was on the top row (facing up towards the visor on the clip side if plugged into the ECU) 6 from the side towards the drivers door. Also, weirdly enough, I tested the grey wire from the TPS to the grey wire to the ECU and it ALSO showed continuity. Once again, it jumped to 1.something ohms the decreased slowly to zero. BUT the only pin (once again I tested everyone) was grey BUT it was on the top row (facing up towards the visor on the clip side if plugged into the ECU) 7 pins from the side towards the drivers door. That being said I have no clue what wrong now. ?
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Unclip your connector and take a photo of it and upload it. If you are indicating 'clip side' as the row that would be closest to the locking tab thingy (meaning the top row of the connector) then there's something 'wrong' there. The grey wire should be on the bottom row.....from the left side of the connector, as you are looking at the back of it, you should find the gray/yellow at the very left, then the gray/red, then gray/green, then the gray....????

And please put your car's specs into your signature, so that we don't have to go back through this thread to find out what you're driving....
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Old 06-18-2017, 04:11 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Here ya go! Also yes the 'clip side' is the top side. Sidenote, I cant find out how to edit my signature so
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:50 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Edit your signature by going into 'User CP' on the links in the left (user control panel) and there you'll see an area for your signature. You should not only put in the year of your car, but the tranny, engine (8 or 16v), any mods, etc. In the meantime, at least from what I can see, your wiring doesn't correlate with my FSM....If you go over to Ack's FAQS:
http://acksfaq.com/2016bp.php?urlnam...trackerfsm.htm
And look in section 6E (in my FSM it's 6E2), you should find a page with the schematic of the two connectors and the wiring colors for each pin, in order.
For example, in my FSM, for the 17 pin connector, my top row from the right is blue/black, black/green, blank, blank, light green/yellow, etc., etc. I see the pink in your photo (which would be bottom row, 2nd from the left in the same 17 pin connector). But for my car, the gray, gray/red, etc., is on the other connector - the 24 pin one...????
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So. I'll look in the Haynes manual and attempt to comprehend the schematic. Lol in the meantime the only wire I found that was grey (I searched everyone I could get to under the dash) was in the larger of the yellow connectors. Referenced in the picture. Tested continuity and it would jump to over 100 to 35 on multiple tests then always settle at .3 ohms. So. Not sure what to do now.
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My first bit of advice: dump the Haynes manual and don't use it for anything - it's filled with misinformation, which is somewhat logical, as it encompasses a number of models, yet gives the same info for each. If you can get your hands on a factory service manual, or use Ack's FAQS, or the manuals in the stickies in the forum, far better. Neither Haynes nor Childtons are recommended.
Having found the grey wire - and yes, it should be in the larger of the two connectors (in my connector, it is on the bottom row, 4th pin from the left), with the key on, see if you get voltage at the pin. You should, although it should be nominal, as this is the TPS signal which depends on the position of the gas pedal. The FSM indicates that with key on, you should get about 1v or so. You advise you are not getting voltage, however, at the other end of the harness, no matter where the position of the gas pedal is. If so, then this would indicate that you have a problem with that grey wire.
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Ok so I retested to be sure. With key on the grey wire at the TPS harness read 0.04v and 0.0 at the ECU harness. I think in my previous tests I checked the voltage with the key OFF. Regardless it still is deviating from what your FSM says and it should be replaced. So I'm willing to take the plunge and actually replace the wire and hope and pray for the best! But once again no clue how to do that. I will check your previous post and look to see if there is any tutorials on how. But last question (once again I'm not an electrical guy) but what kind of gauge, voltage, etc wire is it? Thank you again!!!!
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If you are not an 'electrical guy', you really should have someone do this who knows what they're doing. If you decide to do this yourself, the first thing you must do is disconnect the negative lead to the battery in your car, so that there is no current anywhere, and you can't blow anything. To do this properly, you will need the proper connectors for the ends of the wires, that clip into the ECU and the TPS connectors. However, you are advising somewhere in this thread, that you actually had continuity in that gray wire, no?? You test for continuity (ohms) with the key off. You test for voltage with the key on.
And early on, you advise that while you were getting a code 32, with the transmission computer disconnected, you were NOT having this problem. Is that still correct?????
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