Originally Posted by xxx
i speak far better (vastly) but typing with bad hands is hard....
x2 needles (most times they are AOK !! even on abused tranny oK)
if it whines in neutral
remove the clutch cable from end bell lever.
feel that lever on bell, lots of normal play? (stoke it F/R feel the T/O bearing hit PP?)
Throw out, hit pressure plate fingers.
yes, tie it back (just incase the spring is bell is bad)
if the whine ends now, it not the tranny , (in neutral, )
if it still whines the cluster bearings are gone. so were mine.
There was no intention of picking a nit about your typing..not in the least. Just saying I don't always follow, that my understanding is sometimes less than good.
As for the rest of your post......
Did that. I can indeed 'feel' the TO hit the PP. I can hear it, too. It does NOT whine when it hits. Sure, I CAN hear it spin, it's got I don't know how many thousands of miles on it, but, it is not the cause of the whine.
Good thing to check, though.
Originally Posted by loosenut
There is one bolt under the trans shift case ontop of the, and spanning the trans and tcase.
I read on XXX's rebuild page about the 'hidden' bolt that is UNDER the top cover where the transmission shifter bolts on. There is a SECOND 'hidden' bolt between the transmission and TC? Or, you are referring to the ONE under the 5-sp shifter?
There is a local outfit called 'Trail Tough' that does nothing but Trackers, Kicks, and Samurais. On XXX's rebuild page, I took note that his parts list included an input shaft. I wondered about that.
Turns out (maybe everyone knows it but me..but I didn't) that this failure is common
on this transmission. Brent (Trail Tough) said (if I followed him correctly) that the pilot bushing wears out, the input shaft wobbles, and THAT is what takes out the bearing..what makes the whine.
AND..replacing the bearings in the trans isn't going to fix it, 'cuz the INPUT SHAFT is, at that point, still BAD. You can replace every bearing, syncro, and known weak plastic bit in the transmission, and if you don't put in a NEW input shaft, you have accomplished exactly NOTHING.
He (Brent) said that is why he does NOT deal in 'used' transmissions. He will sell a rebuilt trans..but not a used one.
Makes perfect sense to me, and it's the sort of thing that is CRUCIAL to know. Maybe I would notice that the input shaft was damaged, maybe not. KNOWING that it MUST be replaced, that it is the REASON for the bearing failure in the first place is a 'must know' thing.
I'm probably headed toward a replacement using a rebuild. I've done my own wrenching for over 40 years..never a thing I didn't fix. I might (like on my dirtbike) have to give it a go-over from having missed something, but I have always gotten the job done.
Tackling this 5-speed I don't think is something I want to get into.
Thanks for everyone's input. I appreciate it.