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Old 02-17-2013, 12:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a recurring starting problem with my 94 cami made 8v. It will click but not start, sometimes if you turn key multiple times it will catch, crank freely and start. It will start with a boost. Battery test as good. Starter was replaces with no change. Battery terminal ends replaced. Starter relay maybe? Location? Odd clicking under dash ...... is this a common failure?
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Is the clicking coming from the engine compartment or from under the dash itself? One click, or many? If in the engine, did you check the actual wiring/terminals/connections from the battery to the starter, etc?? If the click is coming from under the dash (and just one) this is normal. If it is clicking repeatedly, this is most probably the main relay clicking as the ECU is rebooting over and over again. Is your check engine light on with the key on, and off once you get the car running?
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I am reasonably confident about the wiring in the engine bay. The clicking is from under dash....inconsistent, erratic, sometimes rapid clicking. Will check on the cel now, I believe it was as it should be but will confirm
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Fresh from starting attempt. No luck even with a boost from another (good) battery, not alternator backed so volts would be 13 not 15. The solenoid clicks but no joy...more I think about it, must be the big wire, positive from battery. Will swap that out as it's easiest and cheapest, not to mention most likely cause. Not today tho...any thoughts? Oh btw cel was on and is not on after started.
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The relays under the dash will click if there is not the proper voltage getting to the ECU. I would check battery connections/wiring first.
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Would the solenoid still click crisply (like it is) if the ecu and relay are suspect? I jumped from btty to positive on starter with no change. Note that if i boost it with big power (running vehicle) the problem is seemingly eliminated... glad I don't need it for a commute monday
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It's not that the ECU and main relay are suspect - they are only responding to a drop in voltage - which seems to be the case, as you state the problem is eliminated when jumping from a running vehicle with proper power/voltage.
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I have a recurring starting problem with my 94 cami made 8v. It will click but not start, sometimes if you turn key multiple times it will catch, crank freely and start. It will start with a boost. Battery test as good. Starter was replaces with no change. Battery terminal ends replaced. Starter relay maybe? Location? Odd clicking under dash ...... is this a common failure?
A GOOD ONE, CONTRADICTORY
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JUMP STARTS WORK.

my guess is , the intermittant nature of the failure caused false, diagnoses
a common reason.
that is because you failed to use a volt meter
the meter will not lie to you.

my no crank page covers all 25ways to get a no crank.
its not a no start, because it does start every time its cranked.
so is no crank, but intermittant.
i presume the battery was LOAD bank tested , right?

the first tests is what is the battery voltage, (across terms)
while cranking. (failed)
Engine-will-not-crank-over
a volt meter finds each.

bad battery
battery not charged (charging system failure , or phantom drains) 12.6v = charged. if cold , say how cold.?
starter bad (open or shorted)
solenoid bad.
wires or connections bad.
key switch bad.
A/T switch bad. (in your case both cars are MT so bad clutch switch) easy tests all, just ask.
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I am officially one of the guys I laugh at for not doing his homework. Yes load tested, even boosted with another btty it does this trick. The btty is not great but it did this thing even when the btty was new last summer. The a/t now clutch switch should be good (was an auto) as the solenoid clicks. Does the power to run the solenoid come from the big feed from the btty or is it supplied directly from the small wire. If it is fed from small wire then all the upstream systems should be good and just the large wires and starter are at risk. I have changed the terminal ends and the starter and the problem remains. I will try hooking the volt meter to the starter and block to see if it drops off when the load is put on it...thanks for the ideas
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With the key in the on position, you should get 12v at the small wire on the solenoid
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