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Old 01-17-2013, 07:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello to all, just realized how long it has been since my last visit, wow

Anyway my question is as follows. I have an ECU I took out of a 1993 Geo Tracker 8V 4X4 automatic built CAN.
The part number is 33920 60A00 9704A C2 CAN/AT. I am unable to find this exact part number in any of my lists.
Just wondering if anyone else has come across this part number.
I know someone who needs one for a 1993 Tracker 8V 4X4 automatic build CAN/AT, and I don't see why this one wouldn't work, as it came out an identical truck.

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Old 01-17-2013, 10:59 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Will check the EPC, but just want to make sure that its 33920, and not 33940-60A00
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welcome back.

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Hello to all, just realized how long it has been since my last visit, wow

Anyway my question is as follows. I have an ECU I took out of a 1993 Geo Tracker 8V 4X4 automatic built CAN. (must be wrecked and dead, huh)?
the below never fit any 93 anything, its a 89/90 with no spark!
The part number is 33920 60A00 9704A C2 CAN/AT. I am unable to find this exact part number in any of my lists. that is right its WRONG.

Just wondering if anyone else has come across this part number. sure, 1000 of times.
I know someone who needs one for a 1993 Tracker 8V 4X4 automatic build CAN/AT, and I don't see why this one wouldn't work, as it came out an identical truck.
2door tracker
used a 56B40 ecu. US AT.

Thank Mitch
my EPC page is fully shows usa and canada
why not just look, your self

here is the direct link of dead ECU page

all 10 years,
here is page 1

in 1991 Suzuki added spark to the ECU, 56B
60a is spark free ecu, and useless to you, spark free means the ECU makes no spark. only the dizzy does that. by its lonesome.


http://www.fixkick.com/ECU/EPC-ECU96...95/89-95NA.pdf


do not mix ecu.
you need to match year, and engine, and smog, and tranny and body, and lots of things


open hood of car
look up, see white sticker with vacuum map
that is a USA tracker.
it says in the bottom, made for USA export, or to California.
a canada tracker has maple leaf sticker for smog. and is different car. in may respects
both are made in canada but there are 6 or more export marketed trackers. what is yours....


the 56B61 will get real upset on smog parts 94+ unique EGR, etc.
the MT ECU is useless , all are..

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Are you sure that this is the correct number?? 33920-60A00 is not listed in the EPC as an ECU for any Vitara/Sidekick for any market or any year....???
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yes, the make many 60A?? and all ??suffixesthe world over
my list is only N.American imports.
it's not ever used on a 8v, 93. ever , here. (unless gray market)

can't do 33920-60A?? wild card search in EPC, sadly, only full number search.
the last digit has funny rules!!!
it can look like a box, and not a zero as last digit, some have ink stamps over the box.
this means other marks on ecu tell the revision level.

best is to photo the sticker so we can read it.
better
is stated the full car spec. and we will tell you the correct ecu.
or if you have another pn. do tell that, because your 60a is no good.


where its built has little to do with need. 1993 Tracker 8V 4X4 automatic build CAN/AT
what counts is the market.
sure its built in Cami, all are in N.America save 1 89 (apha car) and 1 98.plant closing)

ask you friend to post the hood tag.
that is job ,1, what car is this before you buy parts.
why guess?

ill repeat this again,........
in canada
in this year, (ERA)
you can buy
1: USA fed car
2: uS cal caer
3: real e28 canada car with maple leaf tag on fire wall. see my VIN tag page for clear photos of both.
4: gray market, (can be any thing... from anywhere)

first ID the car, then i can tell you what fits and what dont.
its not trivial..

does your friend want it to run perfectly?
and get full MPG?
and pass smog?
and max life?

surely i dont know.
if all he needs smoke and some motion , most parts work...

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I did a worldwide search in the epc, and did not come up with 33920-60A00. There is 33940-60A00, which is the RWAL computer.
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ill say this one more time
the EPC does NOT have all ECU numbers!!! IT DON'T.
it ended ,in 2004, and was behind then.
there are many suffix and 60a is wrong for E03, E33 and E28 trackers
FED,CALIF and real honest engine Canada cars.

if you dont believe me, try googling all 100 suffixes world wide. 00 to 99
you will find out many not listed.
you can use google world wide site searches with 60a?? an find it real fast.
vast numbers, exist.

the last digit is changed for every firmware change.
and for every smog district.
the last digit is very trick, as is the CAN - AT mark, (means canada market smog rules)


what we can do is focus on 60a and ask self how will a 60a will work with 56b Dizzy, not at all.
at the least.

that is why i need the body tag data and vin.
only that tells what the car REALLY is (was)

see? ID car, then jump off parts cliff....

the EPC has hard logic, not fuzzy logic like Google
so finds only what you type and NOTHING else.


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http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/se...990&vi=1142200
02
11
12
they are down but the list IS HUGE. check it out...... do not fuss over the last digit. it may be revised.
bbs.zuwharrie.com/content?topic=37615.25;wap2

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Welcome back yourself.
Some of us have missed you. lol

Here is a picture of the ECU in question
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:08 AM   #9 (permalink)
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THANKS mitch, and that is a real
Canada, smog rated ECU, see CAN in the bottom , not US. (US = USA smog certs)
great. not photo...
and see the last digit, see the BOX, ???? bex are you looking?
that box means its a REVISION code. 60A0[x] x = revision coded.

i know it is, but ive never had the secret Suzuki papers that decode
that and its NOT IN ANY EPC on earth. ( maybe some day, but not holding breath)
but i know that is a revision box.

that ECU only runs, stand alone, Dizzy.
like found on all USA 89/90s.
in other countries, other years..... and other dizzy.....

it will not work on any car that had a ECU 56Bxx P/n .
will NOT.
60A ecu has non CMP pin input and the spark readback
the 60a has no spark drive pin
the 60a has the spark read back pin , on a different pin and uses different rules.



you are in canada, and you guys have 4 cars. one is Gray market to 4 cars, becomes, near infinite. 99 markets, say suzuki supports near 40.. so can any of 40 markets
see? (in usa we have just 2 , fed and cal)
but up yonder, things are quite different.
not to worry,
post your friends body tag in all it glory and we can answer the questions , really that is the whole purpose of the tag, for full identification.
there are up to 8 motor types.. (most are carb ) but they have different DIZZY's

a photo of the tag works best. so i can see ALL. block only last 3 s/n digits as the EPC is clear, the S/n prefix shows which parts were revised. (and when)

happy trails.

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I know someone who needs one for a 1993 Tracker 8V 4X4 automatic build CAN/AT, < CAN means nothing, they are all cami made there. the body tag , only counts.
did you know CAMI makes , german vits.... back then..... what counts is the MARKET CODE,
E22 is german
E28 is Canada market , if made in CAMI that is a CAN-CAN car, a dance..... of sorts.... can you do the can/can.? i can do the trot... and the monkey...
E03 is usa fed
E33 is usa calf


and I don't see why this one wouldn't work, as it came out an identical truck. (looks means zero to me, only facts and tags, shapes and colors,. BAH !
here they all are, what is your friends car. ( tag)
suz makes about 1/3 of these....
http://www.fixkick.com/specs/the-market-list1.html

to be clear
does you friend have , a usa tag, a canada maple leaf or this tag (3 types )
see the 24, what is your friends 24?


i will revise my vin page.
for , assume zero.
first is find the tag...
it can be in 4 different places. (in usa under hood,. dash vin, glovebox RPO (trackers) driver door frame, year made, and tire pressure.

in other markets say E28 (true legal Canada) it is on the fire wall and has totally unique design not used in any other countries, same USA, totally UNIQUE. see ,MAPLE left on fire wall ?
last are the other countries. (not 03,33, or 28)
they use like i show above.
then there is the last tag, called JDM and are WILD to the extreme and are very limited in facts.

just for fun , here is a Jap/ can car, made in Awata, for can.

see mr, maple (older can cars may look different, we get very few , photos, on this forum,,, tag wise, sadly)

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and see the last digit, see the BOX, ???? bex are you looking?
that box means its a REVISION code. 60A0[x] x = revision coded.
The common 56B30's and 56B40's also have the last 0 in []. Actually, I think that most of the ECU's do. So what are they revised from?
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