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Old 01-28-2013, 09:47 AM   #61 (permalink)
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the schematic is on my , well, schematic page. as are the colors
http://www.fixkick.com/ECU/92-95MPI-...-size-huge.png

buy a 95 geo FSM on flea bad, turn to back section see harness, runs in infinite details, see how they acutally route the above is a simplied drawing, in the real book is the full set.


the ECU does not report the 1 pin sensor bad because the ECU dont use it. (cant see it , cant report it)
its just a gauge, on this year, newer cars, are different.
some drive gauge free, it's their deal....

see my motor sick page. see the inspections here.
All car EFI checks begin with a VISUAL....
http://www.fixkick.com/My-Car-Is-Strange.html

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Old 01-28-2013, 10:01 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Quote:
none of the valves had any clearance what so ever!
never let, bald face EVIDENCE slip by, (experience)
hijacker
1: PO was nuts
2: head bolts loose. did you check them like my compression page shows, "Targets of opportunity"..
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The Targets of opportunity

OP.
the ECU reported the ECT is bad, it is. the ECU never lies about that.
the ECT and the Gauge are not related, electrically, at all.
thermally yes.
The Gauge (temp.) is standalone. device in these years.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:31 PM   #63 (permalink)
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OK..
Compression good. Bought new gauge
cylinder 1 185
cylinder 2 187
cylinder 3 185
cylinder 4 190

Timing belt dead on. Bought a new ECT, and borrowed mt TPS of my RUNNING sidekick. Same results and codes as before. I can ever unplug MAF, ECT, TPS, etc and the engine still runs the same. So i gues it is in LIMP mode?
I tried to set timing by jumper wire C-D and it did nothing.
Still getting same codes 14,21?????

I remember when i bought the vehicle the guy told me that the wires that went to the ECT were reading low voltage.
it is running so rich

check out video
tracker - YouTube







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Old 01-29-2013, 06:03 AM   #64 (permalink)
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that dont tell me anything, that vid, besides, no idle control? a scan tool would show most the sensors dead. that be the real, fact...
in fact that video show how wonderful the ECU really is, for running a dead EFI system , a true marvel of design, "limphom" does really work, as seen in the video.


virtual sig. 1993 Suzuki Sidekick JX 16 valve 5speed, Federal car 4 doors, 4wd(I PRESUME)
im so happy for you,,, GOOD MOTOR, now good spark an fueling.....1,2,3
the ECU is running in limphome mode.
so changing from limp 1 to limp 2, nets the same results, rich as pig, retarded timing. (freeze jumper dead)
1/2 power, RPM limited and poor to no idle controls. The ECU does in fact mimic dead sensors... sure does.
unplugging sensors, does not kill the motor. BY DESIGN. see my page on topic.
http://www.fixkick.com/ECU/LimpHome/failsafe.html

we need to attack the ECU next, and its little friends.(wires)
you clear the codes, (pulled dome fuse for 2min? , let the ECU internal caps discharge.
and the put back the fuse. , then key on, still get 14,,21. (this test proves, its bad, the eCU doesn't lie here)


if yes, then trust the ECU. assume the wires are broken.

33920-58b30 ( this is M/T E3(federal) 1992/93 , 16v ECU) is your car M/T
does the hood sticker not show the word "California"
Calif uses a B10 ro B50, in your case a Calif would be B50 suffix ECU. 58B50 ( the hood tag dictates ECU P/N)
open hood look up. see vacuum map, "California there?"

my guess is PO played some games... or who knows, ? luck fate or harness damage.
lets fix the ECT first. (most easy)

see pin B9 that is ECT ( keep in mind GEO and Suzuki books swap letters A and B, never numbers and never colors. (rule 1)
B9 is ECT input to ecu.
http://www.fixkick.com/ECU/92-95MPI-...-size-huge.png
the ECT has 2 wires if ground was bad the IAT would fail. and so would the TPS/EGR go
to 5v and fail.. and do... (cept IAT)
oops, ive been here before, the 92/93 , both those 2 years, the ECU have no IAT (looking that up now...found it...)
is your IAT missing? on the rear edges of the air cleaner box? sure is.
some are....
so that would mean the ground wire is cut. that kills the EGR probe too. which of course kills it too.
53? can be that..... probe open , as my ECU index states. and my new egr sensor secrets page.

I don't have a 93 FSM so cant just look the back pages, detailed pages, on the
IAT harness and ECU PIN (shows actually routing in the harness it does) Get and FSM for best experience.....

SO B15 wire on the ECU is OPEN gray-yellow wire is cut.
if you test the wire for continuity, it will show open (infinity)
The gray-yellow wire is open
only where it opened (cut), is the question, it's a daisy chain, feed. Jump order is unknown, sans FSM.

that is it. this failure is one of the most rare of all. but there you got it.
you could test the ground continuity to all sensors, and if good, jumper that to the ECU. pin, B15 ECU sensor ground.
or jumper the dead sensors to battery minus. (the ground side of the sensors) as test, or for ever.
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The EPC database, on IAT rules are..... 16v 92-95 USA
only found on :
1993 Cal. cars
94/95 Cal and FED.
by missing lines 92 (cute suzuki) that means 92 never have iAT. nice of of them to not show that. (starts to make sense that)

so if the hood sticker dont show CAL , your car dont have an IAT.
revised this.
http://www.fixkick.com/ECU/EPC-ECU96...95/89-95NA.pdf


if 53 persist , i have a page for that too, its here. off my egr-choice page.
http://www.fixkick.com/sensors/thermoprobe.txt

my guess is your car is a FED 16v 93 , and is devoid of the words California , here.


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short post
gray-yellow wire is cut.
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AMAZING!!!! LOL
Did you design these vehicles??

Yep it is a manual 5 speed trans. I looked and no California sticker seen. Your right no IAT on airbox.

That makes perfect sense ( the above post) Im gonna work on it this afternoon. thank you
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do i need to have a jumper wire on my oxygen sensor too?
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:29 PM   #68 (permalink)
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nope he revirse enginered them lol
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ok 100% federal car, no Calif parts, your looking ok.

there are 3 wire car and 4 wire, oxy cars.
yours is what, ?
the 4 wire uses the same ground as the ECT. yes.
just look at yours, see that wire? is it gray-yel, at the O2, then bingo , that is the
CELL minus ground to the 02.
ok , just looked at my 92 02 chart both cars are 4 wire 02
so yes, the gray-yellow wire operates the 02.

fun how each is wired different, kinda.....

reverse engineering, , in ecu, yes
of car, no, not now or ever...
i just read the FSM, it's all there if you just look.

can be had on fleabay for near nothing, like 1/2 set of floor mats

eg. the zuk bibles.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/?_from=R40&_...All-Categories



oh, my $10 for a 93
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Chevrol...489813&vxp=mtr

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Bad news
I grounded O2, ECT,TPS. didnt work
I grounded wire on ECM.. didnt work

I took off ecm from my 95 sidekick and guess what

SHE RAN perfect.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It did have idle issues but i assume because my 93 doesnt have an idle air control sensor on airbox

Now can i rebuild ecm or do i need to send it off????
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