96 Geo Tracker missing relays

[kab85]

I have just purchased a 96 tracker with intentions on making it an offroad toy. I have come to realize after going threw a long list of things that I am missing the relays under the dash near the ecm. I have a grey rectangle plug an off white 5 prong and a 4 prong green plug, but no relays. I was told this is why it wont fire. I am pretty sure its missing the fuel pump relay, but I'm not sure what the others are. If anyone could help me I would be forever greatful. Pictures of what I'm searching for would be even better.
Thanks kab85

[Bex]

Photo here of what it should look like

[xxx]

funny bex, and that is my hand pushing wrong wires on my 1991 , and is WRONG CAR.
dont feel bad OP, the 96 Geo FSM gets this wrong too.
as seen here, with my corrections.
http://kickfix.ac-vw.com/ECU/1996/1996-components1w.jpg

the main and FP relays were all moved for the OBD2 changes.
Major change.
my guess is bex's 97 is not a OBD2 car but EU car so is , yes, different.
the 96 is unique.
now the correct photo.
i read your PM, but could not understand all the symptoms
did you do the compression test like advised , yet?
or all the things missing (use photos.) there are many things under the
dash that have nothing to do with EFI, in fact most dont.

first off the full 96 shematic is on my schemaitcis page, showign
all relays, and all f

now look here.
see the 3 pages of 1996 EFI .
see them
left , middle and right.? links
that is all the wires and parts that make the engine run.
look at that and ask questions.

http://kickfix.ac-vw.com/INJECTORS/96-98-FP-relay.gif

in you PM , it suggests flooding, compression is first not the last test.

[xxx]

OP do you live in country, ? if yes, do tell. after all Canada trackers are different that USA tackers, and are not sold in EU. but in bex case (rare) she has one in ireland....very rare....
so OP , not posting country begs to get wrong answers from all over the world. and is perfectly NATURAL that.... tell the country please, or VIN>

warning, some 96 , the POs. swap order of relays
i saw one, that had the top too swapped, around
the large pink wire is pump. so it didnt fool me, i just LOL. dang POs

OP.
does the CEL LAMP glow. Key on,
that is the proof the ECU has power, so does it.
1 step , at a time .....

do you want to guess the problem or actually diagnose it.
its your choice,
one you go broke buying tools
other go 10x more broke buying un needed parts.
pick one.?

here are the actual symptoms. he sent me. (i edited it for privacy)

I am missing three relays under the dash near ecm from a recently purchased 96 tracker.

(they dont matter to start motor..., you are on the wrong side of the dash too....)

I read your "crank but wont start" I unfortunately didn't read it before I set the timing, replaced the plugs etc.

(is this a warning that the dizzy was spun by guess? no timing light in shop>?

I do not have a cel light coming on

(bad lamp, bad MAIN relay (right side of dash not LEFT not wired, etc. IT MUST COME ON that CEL) if you have spark it is coming on, but the lamp is bad)
and

I thought my pump was coming on bc I had wet plugs.

It proves only that the pump is partially alive and not 42PSI keyon, nor 32 PSI running ,not at all..

I don't hear it humming.

The pump only runs for 3 seconds, and ear to filler cap only works on cars with full tanks or pump is very quiet (new like)
It wont even start with either or propane snort. (could be flooded, did you try super secret unflood mode as it states in the OP guides, that is wide open throttle ranking?

I am getting fire

on all 4 spark plugs and are they new?, and clean and gaped to .028" ????

and timing is correct.

what timing and in what way.?

did you set IGN timing with real timing light. ? cranking, ? and was it way off (i think you spun the dizzy willy nilly and lost this vital fact per comment above)
when the cam timing belt slips. the dizzy timing will be discovered way off.. so you missed that vital fact. OK , dizzy spinning has its costs...
now you need to
check compression, and for sure do the sneak a peek.

http://kickfix.ac-vw.com/t-belt/sneak-a-peek.html


sneak a peek finds bad belts. (slipped, stripped, snapped, or shreaded.) LOOK ! skipping the 60k was folly (it is)
Acid test finds bad crank snouts.(end of link)
only fate decides, this... and ignorance of TSBs; all cars have TSB read them first. (ASE day one )

[Bex]

Originally Posted by xxx

funny bex, and that is my hand pushing wrong wires on my 1991 ,

Yup. No sense duplicating photos just to change a hand. Perhaps could disguise the identity by putting nail polish or tattoo on it. Do not know details of issue, as in PM, etc.,but certainly CEL on with key on off when cranking is important. If plugs are wet, you must have a fuel pump relay somewhere.

[xxx]

i was just amazed at my hand popping up that all, funny for me....
next time will wear a gorilla mitt for fun.

yes, and he was told wrong. someone never saw 96 ever.
and told him wrong. and same here on this forum 100 times.
so searches net, lies. due to the 10 year evolution and others in other countries
with totally different cars.
but id bet its a USA or Canada, car
there are 6 countries using tracker but the 2 above are 99% in volume.
i guess away... at his....

OP please post country, or vin. as usual for ever. same questions...

[kab85]

I appreciate the responses guys. I have done all of the above mentioned, but haven't checked my fuel injectors to see if they are faulty/leaky that is my next step. I found the relays from the above diagram and tried firing with fuel pump relay unplugged I noticed I got a lot of clicking from it and no start. So I reconnected it and I tried to hold the throttle wide open and use some starting fluid. It tried to run but would putter out. I also noticed after removing the glove box that the same blue connector with five prongs was disconnected and the white connector with 4 prongs just like the ones near my fuse box. I still have no idea what they are. I also tried swapping the main relay with the fuel pump relay to see if my CEL would come on, but it wont. So I'm assuming the light is burned out considering the obd2 code reader is reading codes, but not pulling any fault codes. It's functioning bc its telilng me different intake temps etc on the reader. My next step is a new fuel filter, iso heat, and a few gallons of high octane gas. The fuel on my plugs smells old and probably contains alot of moisture. I am also going to check my fuel pressure once I find a reader and fuel injectors. I appreciate the help and if anyone could tell me what the blue and white plug goes to I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks KAB85

[xxx]

DID YOU KNOW , not one post of the SYMPTOMS , yet????????
no start, no crank runs bad, what?

JUST mIAN AND FUEL PUMP COUNT THERE many empty connecters on all cars
for non opted ,options, we can spend a week on looking them up. if the all bug you ,then look them up, 99% will be MISSING OPTIONS.
one page examples..
http://kickfix.ac-vw.com/options/index.html

as you might expect the maker of the car does not make a unique harness for every option ordered, that would be crazy expensive..... see
the harnesses are by doors, and 2wd, 4wd and tranny type.



that is correct the CEL is defeated or burned out, both fails are vary common. and of no worry with scan tool in hand.
like i said, you dont need a CEL lamp, it's like last ever to repair,
the scan tools shows. MIL set or not. that is the CEL.
MIL = CEL = ses
maintenance interval lamp, check engine lamp, service engine soon. all the same.
MIL is whata tech uses. and so does your scanner.
did you read my OBD2 scan page, it shows each step for the sensors.

ok , there are lots of wires.
only the wires colors in each connector , will allow someone to ID the function. there are many 4pin connectors,
unless you have a real FSM for the car. and you do if youed read my links and my page,
on the left side of car there is the key left in ignition , door ajar, noise box , probably ?
pull .
missing cruise control or missing A/t 4sp TCM controller.?
or

here are all the connectors
Ack's FAQ: Your 4X4 Portal To All Things Suzuki/Geo
are your air bags defeated, if not they are dangerous.. yellow connectors.

see page 7 the dash.

Ack's FAQ: Your 4X4 Portal To All Things Suzuki/Geo

can i guess, the car dont start
1: bad fuel.. drain tank and flush all that crap out of the system.
new fuel filter,
the injectors have 10 micron screens, if they clog , all is lost.

1: got 170psi compression on all 4 cylinders. W.O.T !
if not all this work is for naught. right. you goint to put in a new motor.
if no , the dont go past here... 15mins work saves 100 hrs labor.

2: got spark at all 4 spark plugs, did you tune it up?
3: is the dizzy timed right? using a timing light. Y/N? this works cranking or running.... btw.

the CEL DONT DO anything on a 96, all you need is scan tool
it wont lie to you just read the front page.
says MIL off right? that means the CEL is OFF , time to move on.....?

here is my page on missing connectors. i made it after the 100s of posts
of the same questions.
it is just a teaser, as you know POs can unplug just about anything
why not buy a hard copy FSM on feabay,,?? they are dirt cheap.
Geo tracker 96, 2 volume set, the 2nd volume is extensive electrical,
no stone left uncover
or use the links above, most the manual is there.

if a missing connector bugs you then post a photo of it, the wed
go to that same page and find the Cxxx number, then look that up.
its not hard with the book,

again here is that manual , free too.

Ack's FAQ 1996 Geo Tracker Factory Service Manual


do the 3 tests.
good motor??
good spark?
good fuel and good fueling.?

if we do it in that order, the time spent is nil.. what to diagose it? its only a few minutes work,,,, not big deal.
compression WOT. ? 170? or 90.. x4 . 90 is slipped belt or worse
good spark ? x4, and timed right that dizzy?

there you go just 2 test, compression and spark. and we can then check the scan tool for all sensors working.

[kab85]

Symptoms are that It cranks, but wont start or run. Sputters with starting fluid still wont run. Compression is good, spark is good, timing is correct and im getting fuel. . Thanks for the links. Im going to drain the tank and replace the filter in the morning. Thanks again. Ill let you know what the issue is if i figure it out.

[xxx]

now the ecu.
its DUMB
it dont know.
1: motors bad, timing belt slipped.
2: 10 psi fuel pressure
3: bad fuel.
4: spark wires connected wrong order , Haynes book lies.
5: spark timing way off. ( it cant tell its off, )
6: thermostat bad, (will just suck fuel like a pig.) some newer ecu's can tell this...
7: sticking intake valves. (vacuum bouncing)
8: squirrels built a next in the air cleaner box. packing it up.
9 injectors leaking. packed up.
10:it can find a weak MAF but can find a dead one, weak MAF gives weak power, mostly.
11 : how ever if you drive it fully hot and for 30 minutes, you just might
get a few DTCs, id bet you will... (errors)


how ever we can look at each input to the eCU with the scan tool.
sure can
and i have simple pages showing me doing that.
Starts with i got out of bed......
http://kickfix.ac-vw.com/ECU/Authori...OBD2_scan.html