Valve Timing, Timing Marks, 8V, Feeling really stupid

[wrnchbndr]

I just did the crankshaft keyway repair. I got a lot deeper into the motor than I wanted to and in the process pulled the head - blah blah blah...

Now I'm putting it all together and started to adjust the valve clearences. I'm reading the book very carefully -- I've done this stuff a few times before on other engines (not Geos)... The crankshaft is right on the mark, the camshaft pully is exactly on the mark, but looking at the cam lobes it seems that #4 cylinder in on the compression stroke instead of #1. My crankshaft pully/gear can't be misaligned. #1 and #4 are at TDC. I cannot figure out why the camshaft is 180 degrees out because it really really looks like there is no way to install the camshaft pully wrong.

The book clearly says that when the pully marks are aligned, the engine is @ #1 cyl compression stroke -- it ain't. I did not replace the camshaft pully -- WTF??? I'm quitting for the day and am going to walk away.

[Bex]

Pah, what book are you reading??? If Haynes or Chilton, then dump it. Misinformation. The crank key is at 12:00, cam key at 6:00 (using E marks and not I marks) and valve timing is done to cylinder #4 firing (compression). So it looks like you are ok. Ignition timing to cylinder #1 firing.

[wrnchbndr]

The manual is published by Haynes. The information about putting this all together is spread across two chapters but there is no mention of the #4cyl issue anywhere. The manual assumes a lot but then with the lack of anything else, your average mechanic would assume a bit also. I got no "E" marks on the camshaft pully. I've pulled an reinstalled my distributor and it's no pointing in the right direction on #1 compression stroke.

I remember a few Honda motorcycle engines where the two marks needed to be aligned this way -- closest to eash other and in alignment with a straightedge.

[aquanaut20]

As noted in the previous post, Chilton and Haynes rags are usless unless being used to level the table, they are generic and a lot of information is incorrect..

Your engine must be mechanically timed with #4 TDC on the compression stroke..

The ignition timing uses the #1 cylinder on the TDC compression... Philip

[Islpunk]

This is always confusing in Suzuki Engines.

Easiest way to explain it is...

Do Valve Timing (Timing Belt) at TDC #4 and then rotate
Crank one rotation. This brings engine to TDC #1 then check
the position of the Rotor which should now be pointing at #1

[xxx]

8v and no year stated, sad that.... spec out your car.
2000 Camaro SS and 2 '95 Geo Trackers << this it.? it has the 60a/80c markes
unless motor swapped


see my 8v page
the valves on the 8v need to be loose (lifters) or the bias is wrong when setting belt tension
not only my long way
but missing page that was with your belt. is there.
and the full MSM on that engine, is there, no haynes. (great safety tips on haynes)
and table level x2.

timing belt swap

FSM pages.

http://kickfix.ac-vw.com/t-belt/8V-F...Tbelt-proc.zip

and the missing in the tbelt box page, good belts have this , not china crap belts.
lose this? even says plain, #4 TDC (if you time it right #4 dont matter. is just a side comment, if timed right, it just is.
http://kickfix.ac-vw.com/t-belt/8v-tbelt1w.jpg