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Old 05-13-2011, 08:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys,

Iv just registered, and im beginning my membership here with this topic!

im not a person with a lot of money, just out of college, i used to drive a Fiat punto for the last 5 years or more....I could make some jokes about fiat but in fairness the car never let me down.

anyway, my uncle recently bought a Nissan Terrano LWB commerical, and he gave me his old 4x4, a escudo nomade, petrol, 5dr, 96', imported from japan in 2000 or 2001.
its literally this but not in as good as condition of course
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It could do with a new paint restore and polish, which i hope to do the coming week, the central locking on the drivers door wont work, and the spring for pushing out the petrol cap flap is broken (so i need someone with me while getting petrol! one person to pull the little lever, the other person to pry the flap open ), so these are things I must get sorted out.

Anyway if you look at the wikipedia photo, the wheels on that one is the same as mine, however I find they are too narrow, the profile of the tyre is bit high (195/80/15), so I intend on getting wider alloys off a crashed diesel escudo/vitara, they should be 215 width I'd imagine, havnt seen them yet. Would getting the wider wheels make a significant impact on the jeep's stability and grip on the road? I will be keeping the old rims anyway for winter, the narrow rims are suitable for snow and ice.

I want to ask, if I put on the wider rims, should i get the arch trims? i assume they are to prevent mud splatter, and where can I get these? i assume i wouldnt get them in the colour of my jeep, so the colour black may have to do me.

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Paint touch-up and polish.







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Just my 2cents,

Spend your first money on bringing the vehicle up to snuff (mechanically) before making it look pretty.

Pretty wont make it go ... but will look good on the curb..... Philip
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Just my 2cents,

Spend your first money on bringing the vehicle up to snuff (mechanically) before making it look pretty.

Pretty wont make it go ... but will look good on the curb..... Philip
hey philip,

sorry i meant to say the jeep mechanically is perfect, it passed the NCT (equivalent to the MOT in england) only last week, my uncle is a mechanic and he made sure its perfect mechanically, he even changed the timing belt, track rods, etc.
so my only issues are cosmetic.

it has 176K kilometres on the clock, under 110k miles, so not too bad.
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The car originally came with 205/75/15 as standard size tires. I have upgraded mine to 225/75/15 (no flares or lift, etc.). This, of course, knocks the speedometer off so that my speedo is going 4% slower than I am actually traveling. Your tires are narrower than stock, and would have a slightly higher sidewall in proportion to the tire width than stock would have. (maybe 2.5mm higher, and 10mm narrower).
The 215/75/15 will actually be about 9mm higher than what you have, and 10mm wider. Probably a bit of a better look, although I don't think you will actually feel much difference in handling with those small differences. You may find this site interesting, where you can compare tire sizes:
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The 215's on their own would not stick out beyond the fender, so flares might not be needed (nor look good, either).
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the Rev per mile on tire data sheet dont lie

760 is stock.

any aspect ratio/wheel size.
Rev/mile.
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The rev per mile on my 225/75/15 is 713. You just adjust that with knowing the 4% change in the speedo. Rev per mile would not affect performance, handling, etc., no? 195/80/15 gives you 739.

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Revolutions per mile indicates the number of times a tire revolves while it covers the distance of one mile. Depending on the tire manufacturer, revolutions per mile may be either measured in a laboratory or derived from calculations based on their previous test experience.

Tire revolutions per mile cannot be calculated by simple math because the tire tread and sidewall bend and stretch (deflect) when the load of the vehicle presses the tire against the road.

Since the resulting loaded or rolling radius is less than half the tireís published overall diameter (which would only reflect the tireís unloaded radius), calculating the tireís absolute rolling circumference isnít possible.

Additionally, a tire transitions from an unloaded to loaded state as it rolls, continuously flattening where the tread footprint comes into contact with the road. These continuous transitions result in some tread slippage, again increasing the tire revolutions per mile beyond what simple math would indicate.
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A lot of Vits came with 195R15s as standard. A good alternative to the 15s is the 7x16" rims from a Vit V6 or GV, they are fitted with a lower profile tyre and the 7" rims have good offset for better stability.
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The car originally came with 205/75/15 as standard size tires. I have upgraded mine to 225/75/15 (no flares or lift, etc.). This, of course, knocks the speedometer off so that my speedo is going 4% slower than I am actually traveling. Your tires are narrower than stock, and would have a slightly higher sidewall in proportion to the tire width than stock would have. (maybe 2.5mm higher, and 10mm narrower).
The 215/75/15 will actually be about 9mm higher than what you have, and 10mm wider. Probably a bit of a better look, although I don't think you will actually feel much difference in handling with those small differences. You may find this site interesting, where you can compare tire sizes:
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The 215's on their own would not stick out beyond the fender, so flares might not be needed (nor look good, either).
i think the alloys i will be getting are ones common on diesel models, so they'll be 16" and would have a tyre of 215/65/16.

but your right, i was looking at my jeep today, got out a measuring tape and yeah the 215 would not extend outside the arches, so no need of flares (didnt know they were called that ) will not be needed. (some flares can look ok in my opinion).

@rhinoman: what tyre would those rims have? 225/55/17?
my uncle said that stability and grip on the road is mainly controlled by what type of tyre you have, good expensive tyres will obviously perform a lot better. But he has admitted that the 195/80/15 tyre is not suitable, a profile of 80 is a bit high, increases instability on bends.

EDIT: this week i will take some photos of my suzuki and post them here.
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my uncle said that stability and grip on the road is mainly controlled by what type of tyre you have, good expensive tyres will obviously perform a lot better. But he has admitted that the 195/80/15 tyre is not suitable, a profile of 80 is a bit high, increases instability on bends.
Your Uncle is a wise man, take him down to the local pub, buy him a pint and a shandy for you..... Philip
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Yes, the 195/80/15 is high and narrow. But also remember that, especially with the truck suspension, you need an air cushion in the tires so insulate your ride. You need a somewhat high profile tire on this car (especially if you ever plan to take it offroad). The profile is determined by the width of the tire (the second number above. The first number is the width of the tire in mm, the second number is the percentage of that width, the result of which is the height of the sidewall). 'Normal' tires usually have a profile of about 60-65% of the tire width. The Trackers usually come with a higher profile (70-75%) to allow for a greater air cushion in the tire. A low profile tire (anything below 60%) would be unsuitable for this car, as the height of the sidewall would be shorter, and not give the proper air cushion for the stiff suspension.
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