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Old 01-19-2009, 11:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi All,

I bought an already modified 96' Tracker last month. Before I can register it, I need to pass smog in California. I am having the P0400 EGR Flow problem that a lot of people have. I've replaced the EGR valve itself and cleaned the intake entrance port. The code came back. This wouldn't be such a bad thing, but it took it 2 weeks and 1000 miles of driving before it came back. I was using Digimoto Lite to monitor the status of the system tests. During this whole time, it showed that the EGR test was incomplete. This weekend, the code came back, and showed the EGR test as complete. The problem is, if I have to wait 2 weeks and 1000 miles after I fix something before it completes the test, then I may never be able to smog it. Is this normal? Looking around, I found this page
2000 Chevy Tracker EGR - GM Inside News Forum
that talks about conditions to run the DTC on a 2000 Tracker. One of the conditions is driving at 60mph for 5 minutes and then decelerating. I have 33's on the Tracker. For me to do 60 mph indicated, I have to be doing about 72-75 mph actual. That's hard to do in a Tracker, especially for 5 minutes. Does anybody know if this applies to a 96 Tracker as well? I'm not even sure that a 96 Tracker has a vehicle speed sensor, because Digimoto returns an NA when I try to query vehicle speed. Also, the other tests, like oxygen sensor system, still show incomplete. All of these tests have to be completed before the vehicle can be ready for a smog test. Does anybody have any ideas?
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:54 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Was the EGR new or junkyard part?... one should clean all parts to it.

Jerrys main sidekick page < jtgh site, follow the rules for your problem of your dreaded issue, its common.
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The EGR valve was new. I will have to clean the system again, but I don't want to have to wait another 2 weeks to find out if it worked.
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I don't entirely understand your 2 weeks of if it works... you'd pretty much find out right away imo. Is it some sort of California rule? Goodluck.
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The last time that I cleaned the system, it took 2 weeks for the error to come back. During that time, I've been monitoring the status of the EGR test in anticipation of doing a smog test. It showed as being incomplete the entire two weeks. For some reason, the EGR test didn't run.
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Old 01-20-2009, 11:46 PM   #6 (permalink)
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that is so easy the rules.
you need to drive in a certain way for the EGR monitor to complete.
(and there are 2 tests, not 1)
my new egr pages has the rules right there ,

if the main valve looks clean, then it is,
did you look at the hidden oriface in the plenum conn. point behind TB.
EGR-repair-methods

is your exhaust still OEM stock, with no missing, CAT con or rodding out or such tricks?
is 400 the only failure?
are you having other symptoms.?

60mph where on earth did that come from, speed limit is 55 , ended in 95
your car was being designed before that day. so are saying the monitor must run at an illegal speed, no way.
test 1 , above 18.6mhp
test 2, 28.6 min.
dont that make better since?
rational speeds.
the rules are tricky and a PITA, for sure. no dought.

http://carfix.stufftoread.com/sensor...EGR-AB-MON.zip

that is a GM document. annotated by me.
tests are conducted 1 time per driving cycle.
2 second test.
you didnt say tranny type and as you see RPM is critical. over 30mph id say is a go all around so do that and
cruise at 2400 rpm ( both AT AND MT)
LOAD, i presume up small hills but not too big. ( vacuum and MAF derived load are deciding points.)
id say drive mixed driving , but cruising not city.
notice it says, very little throttle change , so hold the foot still , ok.
note rpm delta (change) is small, so again keep foot realllllll steady.
wait 4 minutes for tests to start.
car must be hot so above is silly , 4min is long past. full hot , not ever at 158deg F.
coolant temp that is ....
Egr must be active, which means moving and all EGR active rules in force and true.

the second test is , fuel cut mode. so just be cruising way above 28mph and then cut throttle and leave it alone as long as possible.

you need to meat the 22 inches of HG for both tests, or more.
the send test will pass this easy as you are decelerating.
the fist test , 22 inched, is harder.

60mph , ouch.

the EGR is activate ONLY
rules:
never idle.
never , W.O.T.
only cruising.
only HOT (fully)
and the more load on engine, the more EGR FLOW.
but for the monitor to run, you can NOT overload the engine. 31% max.

a scan tool allows you to monitor most of these parameters.

so a helper is the only safe way. to do it.

i figured car is a 1.6L and not 1.8 cuz GM dont do the 1.8 thing.
what tranny you got/.

notice is warns of switch changes.
so dont be throwing the AC on or PS to agains stops , or bumping car in to neutral during the monitor or it will abort the test.

it thing it take 40 keys cycles to



i think i found your old refr.
OBD II Drive Cycle (reset car diagnostic monitors )

that second part does not apply to Suzuki, cloaked in GEO skins.
no way.
my page is real OBD2 on real, suz/gm 96.

you are correct tall tires puts you over 55mph, but not that much.
not 15mph. no way.
i dont think the general cycle applies to EGR anyway, this is just to get all the geedunk tests done.

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now i remember why i left calif.
you do ,know.
that your car stores the freeze frame data so you know exactly where it failed
and which of the 2 test.

those tall tires also up the load in all gears.
so it might make it harder to do.
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DATASTREAM PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS - Free Online Library

see 1st 5 paragraphs.
see the comment on why the monitor runs a DAccel?
answer is stuck opens and stuck closed.
stuck open really messes up dacellerations.

pay no attention to manifold off , it need not come off. on kicks.

you are below 8000 ft altitude , right? Lake Tahoe or ?

that article is very good, it shows all the things that can make 400 lie.
but is 4 years too new,
you car has the old 96-98 systems. vastly different.
but clogged exhaustion or bad vacuum or other sensors can trip a 400

the newer cars have a smart , direct drive egr and has no bearing on 96. very different, no egr mod, no vsv , etc.

cheers.

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Thank you for the reply jtgh. I have looked at your pages and they are very good and informative.

The Tracker is a 1.6L manual transmission. After doing the cleaning and clearing the code, I drove it for two weeks in all sorts of conditions. City, highway, offroad. Every couple of days I checked the status of the EGR test and it always showed as incomplete. Finally, the other day as I was coming down the from the mountain the CEL came on. The scanner reported the p0400 code and showed the status of the EGR test as complete. It still showed the oxygen sensor test as incomplete, however, so not all diags had run. Do you have the conditions for running the O2 tests as well?

The conditions you document make much more sense. I'm thinking it must be speed related. The speedometer needle jumps around and doesn't show a steady speed at the higher speeds. From what I understand, the VSS gets its data from the speedo, or at least the same cable as what drives the speedo.

Using a GPS, I have an error of up to 15 mph between actual and indicated at the higher speeds (>75 mph) on 33' tires.
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Oh, the cat was replaced. The exhaust is modified cat-back. But the cat is brand new.
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