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Old 10-31-2008, 08:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How can I drain gas... do I have to take the gas tank off like working on the fuel pump? This guy I made 'enemy' might have tampered with my gas..
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i see your 3 last posts. 93/94 16v kick?
maf dead, ?
did you cure the DTC code 34 issue?
is the CEL lamp now out while drivng.?

what are your new symptoms ?

how to drain tank.
you could siphon it out.

you could disconnect the gas filter and adapt a hose to this banjo in some way.
and hot wire the fuel pump at he FP relay above knees.

draining it no picknic and the fumes would be dangerous inside a garage.


a pro shop would have a 50gal barrel with a special pump attached and just
insert the long hose in the filler neck.
some tanks have fancy roll over check valves and anti siphon devices , so in that case they pull the filler tube..
on some cars one can pull the sender cap and pump from there ( not on kick)

i have never pulled the crash shield off tank to see if it has drain.
most dont.
i see a fuel tank valve on the filler bottom, dont look promising for siphon.

you can use a flash light and look from side to see tank bottom. above the shield.

here is my link for main top down diagnosis?

My Car Is Strange

and my fast sensor test page
How to test sensor and actuators

hope that helps you.
good gas is always assumed, and I have no idea how to test it , other than
mowing the lawn with the fuel and seeing how it does.

or snow blower? Hehehehe


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tune up.

other than all fluids ? shown in the op guide, need one? a manual?

cap , rotor, wires, plugs, no china knock off parts, quality parts like NGK,BOSCH, DENSO.
no RedStar parts.

all filters, air, fuel , etc. per Op Guide or more often if say you drive in dust storms or bug clouds.
smell the gas, does it smell like old outboard motor gas ?
sour, and stinks to high heaven?
if someone contaminated it , it might still smell ok.
If someone put in,sugar, or unboiled linseed oil (dont ask what it does, bad news).

there are fuel test labs, , google that.
i think (no expert) they centrifuge it and find the stuff that is not in the solution fully.
"this being the smoking gun so to speak)" boy ,i if i say gun one more time , the black helicopters will come for sure , smile for NSA !

As you progress , I recommend telling us what progress you made and if you have new symptoms , post them.
hot and cold, what it does good and what it does bad.

As Clint E. used to say, the good the bad and the ugly.

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i see your 3 last posts. 93/94 16v kick?
maf dead, ?
did you cure the DTC code 34 issue?
is the CEL lamp now out while drivng.?

what are your new symptoms ?

how to drain tank.
you could siphon it out.

you could disconnect the gas filter and adapt a hose to this banjo in some way.
and hot wire the fuel pump at he FP relay above knees.

draining it no picknic and the fumes would be dangerous inside a garage.


a pro shop would have a 50gal barrel with a special pump attached and just
insert the long hose in the filler neck.
some tanks have fancy roll over check valves and anti siphon devices , so in that case they pull the filler tube..
on some cars one can pull the sender cap and pump from there ( not on kick)

i have never pulled the crash shield off tank to see if it has drain.
most dont.
i see a fuel tank valve on the filler bottom, dont look promising for siphon.

you can use a flash light and look from side to see tank bottom. above the shield.

here is my link for main top down diagnosis?

My Car Is Strange

and my fast sensor test page
How to test sensor and actuators

hope that helps you.
good gas is always assumed, and I have no idea how to test it , other than
mowing the lawn with the fuel and seeing how it does.
or snow blower? Hehehehe



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hope that helps you.
good gas is always assumed, and I have no idea how to test it , other than
mowing the lawn with the fuel and seeing how it does.
or snow blower? Hehehehe

I had fixed the CEL light, now she doesn't want to run. It dies like couple secs after starting, gotta give it gas to run.

What are 'china' brand? I orded a SPI brand... timing belt. Checked out the throttle body for any dirt, etc. Seems ok. and checked the plugs... seems a little carbony, not much. Will try the sensor I took off, how she goes
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i had to drain mine one time too. i used a 2 litre coke bottle. i cut it off just below the fair on top and duck taped the wide end of the bottle into the top of a large funnel. i stuck in in a gas can and put the banjo connector down the top of the bottle and kept turning the key on and off til it was drained. it worked pretty good and kept the gas from spraying all over the place.
be REALLY careful when messing with gas!!!!
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excellant usage of a coke bottle! and Duct tape is a must .

just pull the green socketed relay , Fuel pump relay above knees.
then jumper the 12v in put to the relay out pin.
see black/white and Pink/white wires, jumper the socket with a paper clip
now when you key ON, the pump runs full time (not 3 seconds)

never run a pump dry , it is gasoline lubed and cooled !!

Id have a much bigger receiving tank. MUCHO !

details here, full size, save it and then look with xp viewer, zoom in or out.
http://carfix.stufftoread.com/ECU/92...5mpi-small.gif

this dwg shows only those things it takes to run.
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Ok... update.
Put the old MAF sensor, seems to run right again... I guess the other sensor is toast. Now back to the CEL light with this one.
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Ok... update.
Put the old MAF sensor, seems to run right again... I guess the other sensor is toast. Now back to the CEL light with this one.
Went for a test drive early this am... seems always get into something else. Now gotta work on muffer, thought would go thru a small rock. Hit the muffler
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cel light.?
what does it say, ? (paper clip in DLC)

a maf error can be a maf , or it can be a gross intake leak.

the ECU only knows what the sensors tell it.
if the mAF shows low readings, all the time , then it blames the MAF.
but many many things can cause the reading to be low.
a leak.


or the used maf is bad.
there are 4 MAF states:
1: good
2: out of calibration or intermittant. ( on this ECU i do not know if it is smart enough to throw a code for that)
3: low all the time (throws code)
4: high all the time (throws code)

Used MAFs can cause 2 to 4
a gross Induction leak (aka vacuum leak) may cause #2 or 3 .

fyi:
Throw a code , is slang for CEL lamp ON, DTC code stored in memory.

diagnosing any MAF ,requires lots of work and a good scan tool or a meter attached to the sensor and 2 people drive car and one logs data , under all condtions. (hills)
after the run , we have facts.


here is an example of a maf under load;

http://carfix.stufftoread.com/sensor...MAF/hills1.jpg
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Also a locking gas cap wouldn't hurt.

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