Suzuki Forum Suzuki Forum Header Right
Google Links

Sponsors

» Sponsor Links
»Garage Storage and Cabinets
Go Back   Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site > Suzuki Models > Suzuki Sidekick, Escudo, Vitara & Geo Tracker Forum (1989-1998)
Register Home Forum Active Topics Gallery Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

       

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-30-2008, 02:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
Senior
 
Rhinoman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: High Wycombe, UK
Posts: 294
Gallery: 0
Rhinoman is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jtgh View Post
many cars sold to Europe are not obd2 or EOBD compliant , unitl 2001.
Wandering off-topic but to add clarification:

EOBD is to all intents and purposes OBD2. EOBD refers to compliancy with EU directive 98/69/EC. This directive states which functions must be tested and the thresholds at which faults must be flagged. These limits are tighter than those specified by OBD2, however 98/69/EC mandates that the protocols that can be used are those that are also used by OBD2.

Quote:
6.5.3. The emission control diagnostic system must provide for standardised and unrestricted access and conform with the following ISO and/or SAE standards. Some of the ISO standards have been derived from Society of Automotive Engineers Standards and Recommended Practices. Where this is the case, the appropriate SAE reference appears in parentheses.

6.5.3.1. One of the following standards with the restrictions as described must be used as the on-board to off-board communications link:

ISO 9141-2 'Road Vehicles - Diagnostic Systems - CARB Requirements for the Interchange of Digital Information`;

ISO 11519-4 'Road Vehicles - Low Speed Serial Data Communication - Part 4: Class B Data Communication Interface (SAE J1850)`. Emission-related messages must use the cyclic redundancy check and the three-byte header and not use inter-byte separation or checksums.

ISO DIS 14230 - Part 4 'Road Vehicles - Diagnostic Systems - Keyword Protocol 2000`.

6.5.3.2. Test equipment and diagnostic tools needed to communicate with OBD systems must meet or exceed the functional specification given in ISO DIS 15031-4.

6.5.3.3. Basic diagnostic data, (as specified in 6.5.1) and bi-directional control information must be provided using the format and units described in ISO DIS 15031-5 and must be available using a diagnostic tool meeting the requirements of ISO DIS 15031-4.

6.5.3.4. When a fault is registered, the manufacturer must identify the fault using the most appropriate fault code consistent with those given in section 6.3 of ISO DIS 15031-6 (SAE J2012 - dated July 1996), relating to '. . . Powertrain system diagnostic trouble codes`. The fault codes must be fully accessible by standardized diagnostic equipment complying with the provisions of 6.5.3.2.

The note in section 6.3 of ISO DIS 15031-6 (SAE J2012 - dated July 1996) immediately preceding the list of fault codes in the same section does not apply.

6.5.3.5. The connection interface between the vehicle and the diagnostic tester must meet all the requirements of ISO DIS 15031-3. The installation position must be subject to agreement of the approval authority such that it is readily accessible by service personnel but protected from tampering by non-qualified personnel.
Unfortunately the directive also has quite specific requirements for anti-tampering measures to prevent the ECU being remapped by unauthorised persons.


Below is the link to the directive, note that there have been amendments:

guichett - 31998L0069 -
__________________
Faster than the speed of dark.
Vitara 1.6, 3+3 lift, winch bumper, 33" tyres, 5:83s.
SJ413KJA pickup, 1.6 conversion.
Rhinoman is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 10-30-2008, 04:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 10
Gallery: 0
piotrpat is on a distinguished road
Default

Life is hard

After 2 day reading about aldl, sdl, obd1 obd2 i have little mess in my head but also have more questions:

1. Except original tester from suzuki service what kind of tester and software do i have to look for if i want to get into my car's ECM?

2. I'm not sure - is it possible in my x-90 to use any kind of jumper trick to use flashing code (like using jumper and reading codes from counting "engine check" flashes in eariler Vitaras? )

Thanks for Your help and tell me more
piotrpat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2008, 04:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
Senior
 
Rhinoman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: High Wycombe, UK
Posts: 294
Gallery: 0
Rhinoman is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by piotrpat View Post
Life is hard

After 2 day reading about aldl, sdl, obd1 obd2 i have little mess in my head but also have more questions:

1. Except original tester from suzuki service what kind of tester and software do i have to look for if i want to get into my car's ECM?

2. I'm not sure - is it possible in my x-90 to use any kind of jumper trick to use flashing code (like using jumper and reading codes from counting "engine check" flashes in eariler Vitaras? )

Thanks for Your help and tell me more

You should have the connectors to enable you to pull the codes using the CEL, most of the OBD2 Zuks still have these. Look under the bonnet for a 6-pin connector with a rubber cover over it. It may be by the battery or behind the passenger side headlight (LHD), this assumes that the location is similar to a Vit.

More info here:

Diagnostics
__________________
Faster than the speed of dark.
Vitara 1.6, 3+3 lift, winch bumper, 33" tyres, 5:83s.
SJ413KJA pickup, 1.6 conversion.
Rhinoman is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Suzuki Forums: Suzuki Forum Site > Suzuki Models > Suzuki Sidekick, Escudo, Vitara & Geo Tracker Forum (1989-1998)



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0 RC2

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:06 AM.



Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0