Mpg Hho

[tracka96]

If you go to YouTube.com and search HHO, you'll lots of info on interesting experiments people have done to get hydrogen from water to increase their MPG, might even encourage some of you-all to give it a try and post the results. Tracka96

[jkcinc]

Originally Posted by jtgh

snake oil alert, unless it converts waste heat to rotational energy.
or a solar array on the roof (price that? with mounts)

HHO is not even a legal term in science / chemistry or physics. (ok, HHO)
Please:
Give credit to the person how documented and patented the process "Browns GAS".

HHO does in fact break at least 2 laws of thermodynamics.
saying this device increase MPG.


go ahead and waste precious time on breaking those laws.
just proving you could, would make you a billionaire over night, right?
[ I know , black helocopters with Shell logos)
the other path is Lean burn. ( All 4 top hybrid cars do exactly that)

Please do not spend $600 for gas cars or $3500 on diesel trucks.
The DOE has a reward for ANYONE, who can beat 81% on any electrolysis chamber.
(not test tube efficiency , real rubber meets the road (no pun) efficency , or in practice)
Also NASA has the same reward, and you can the sell them H2 / O1 and be rich.
NASA is running out of Natural Gas to split ,see?


here is the path of energy.
engine turns, crank turns alternator, alternator makes 10amps , that is stolen from the HHO (bs box) and then this electroysis chamber makes H2 and O, (forget the the fact that keeping them seperate [gas] (they want to recombine to water instantly) this gas is fed to the induction, where it may or not be burned in whole or in part.

YOU stole 10 amps , from the alternator ( so your ECU increased idle to compensate using more gas or you stepped hardrt on the gas pedal ) but the engine must create 14 amps, , you loose 20% in the HHO chamber and 20% in the alternator ( both must follow the laws of thermodynamics) ( NO GAIN !)
In reality the loss will be worse .

Consideration:
Think it thru , if this really worked, why not just make a bigger HHO box and then
disconnect the Fuel Pump relay.
see , perpetual motion. <<< google that ?

I bet working a second job or overtime would pay far better dividends.

IMHO, YMMV.

PS:

It make me sad when others, try to profit off others who are have trouble paying their bills each month. ( leaches)

YOur cars engine , thows off 80% off all the energy it gets from gasoline in the form of heat. It is vastly wasteful, if you could find a way to recover that? , tell me, ( nano-thermistor banks on exhaust are very expensive)
we can get rich , beyond either of our dreams. !

Ask your high school physics teacher. He will tell you the truth.
why waste time on hopeless ventures.?

Youtube is not an authority on Physics, wow !
It's just a marketing medium to find suckers for HHO and $600 hard earn money. "Hollywooooooodddd"

A Reward to you:
4600 miles of free gas if you DONT buy the HHO.

dont be a HHO. (grin)

wow... what an ignorant buffoon I've been working with HHO(BTW this is not a scientific term you douche bag, its just like saying freon -a brand name- instead of refrigerant) for years. Hydrogen and Oxygen DO NOT want to recombine just because they are exposed to one another. I personally would NEVER buy any kind of HHO setup from anyone. This is the kind of thing that takes trial and error to get right in your particular vehicle, and may not-at the present- yield huge results.And it is VERY inexpensive to build yourself anyways. But hey were just too rich and ignorant to try to save ourselves some money right?(atleast this guy is) That being said I must be some kind of freakin genius because I HAVE BROKEN *THIS GUYS* LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS!!!!
This gas -in my case- is fed to the vacuum on the throttle body of my 94 Astro Van. That has been the most efficient way for me. I just put the final touches on a VERY basic system using SS tubes and Electrolyte. And the results are in... I drive ALOT . Over 800 miles a week. I cannot afford to waste any mileage.I ran controls for weeks to determine a baseline for my mileage. Over the course of six fill ups I averaged 18.2 MPG. I say average. In fact the mileage was exactly 18.2 at every fill. I do make it a point to drive VERY lightfooted, I'm VERY conscious of my driving in relation to my MPG . I drive the same way, and the same route every week, fill up twice a week. I have tested the mileage with both my headlights on and off, always the same. (This is important because the headlights draw MORE current than my "Magic HHO Box") After installing the system I ran two tank fulls with the result of 21.6 and 21.4 MPG. Now I'm no wizard, and thats certainly not a HUGE amount, however thats over 3 MPG, with a REALLY basic setup. That means that now I'm driving 150 of those 800+ miles for free every week(Let me break that down for Mr Science- 3mpg gain, 25 gallons per fill, two fills per week (3x25)2=150 FREE MILES!!!) Now that I know for myself that there is SOME improvement I can go from there, beef up/tweak my setup and hope for bigger gains. BTW I'm drawing 6 amps with this setup and producing 750ml a minute. Doesnt sound like much? Consider this ...At 60MPH and 20MPG it takes you 20 minutes to burn 1 Gallon of gas-convert that to metric*computing* ah.. thats 189.27ml per minute.Now, though that is in a liquid state, that is still the actual amount used, so, supplementing that with a highly combustible mix of hydrogen and oxygen vapor(remember liquid doesnt burn) at a ratio of 4:1 would almost HAVE to give you something....riiiIIIGHT? good. Also there IS a law that applies to alternators and perpetual motion, Obviously you could not spin an alternator with an electric motor and then power said motor with said alternator.. duh. However are you to have me believe that the spark from a sparkplug holds the same energy as the gasoline it ignites??? Certainly not! The same applies to HHO. You are using electricity to REACT with the WATER to create a GAS COMPOUND that is equal to MORE ENERGY than the ELECTRICITY USED. The point at which the making of HHO is inefficient , as well as getting the vehicle to respond to large amounts of gas(sensors, computers, etc...) is yet to be determined , but dont you think that 150 free miles a week is a good start?
And for the record I would never sell this information either. I think that taking advantage of people ,especially in the middle of a recession/depression is wrong, and the information should be there for anyone who wants to try it for themselves. If your interested I would gladly share with you what I've done.

[kelikran]

As this is your first post in this forum, you are most probably unfamiliar with the poster JTGH whom you refer to as an ignorant buffoon. Despite your differences of opinion on this
particular topic, I want you to know that this fellow is anything but, and has done more work and research and spent more time to help people with different problems than anyone else. He is well versed in both electronics and mechanics, and has literally decades of work and hobby time in both fields. He doesn't always worry about his grammar, etc. but do not let that mislead you to the mind behind the written word. He is also very compassionate towards people who need help, and who often may not be able to afford top of the line parts and repair bills. He is, as the old cliche says, " a gentleman and a scholar". From the content and presentation of your information, it appears that you are well versed, and understanding of the theories with which you are working. I can not speak to either of the opinions you two have, they are beyond my current scope. I simply ask that you be courteous and respectful, and I think you will find that the two of you can have some interesting discussions.

[jkcinc]

Originally Posted by kelikran

As this is your first post in this forum, you are most probably unfamiliar with the poster JTGH whom you refer to as an ignorant buffoon. Despite your differences of opinion on this
particular topic, I want you to know that this fellow is anything but, and has done more work and research and spent more time to help people with different problems than anyone else. He is well versed in both electronics and mechanics, and has literally decades of work and hobby time in both fields. He doesn't always worry about his grammar, etc. but do not let that mislead you to the mind behind the written word. He is also very compassionate towards people who need help, and who often may not be able to afford top of the line parts and repair bills. He is, as the old cliche says, " a gentleman and a scholar". From the content and presentation of your information, it appears that you are well versed, and understanding of the theories with which you are working. I can not speak to either of the opinions you two have, they are beyond my current scope. I simply ask that you be courteous and respectful, and I think you will find that the two of you can have some interesting discussions.

I understand and apologize , I just seem to run across this alot and get very frustrated when people make uninformed claims that HHO-browns gas-hydroxy-whatever-is a hoax, as this moves others not to try it out for themselves. For me it has been great fun as a hobby and is now yielding results. Again I apologize.

[ranger88den]

Originally Posted by kelikran

As this is your first post in this forum, you are most probably unfamiliar with the poster JTGH whom you refer to as an ignorant buffoon. Despite your differences of opinion on this
particular topic, I want you to know that this fellow is anything but, and has done more work and research and spent more time to help people with different problems than anyone else. He is well versed in both electronics and mechanics, and has literally decades of work and hobby time in both fields. He doesn't always worry about his grammar, etc. but do not let that mislead you to the mind behind the written word. He is also very compassionate towards people who need help, and who often may not be able to afford top of the line parts and repair bills. He is, as the old cliche says, " a gentleman and a scholar". From the content and presentation of your information, it appears that you are well versed, and understanding of the theories with which you are working. I can not speak to either of the opinions you two have, they are beyond my current scope. I simply ask that you be courteous and respectful, and I think you will find that the two of you can have some interesting discussions.

Agree with kelikran!

[sol_tegra]

well.....let me see, everyone has their own way of thinking and jtgh as kel. has mention does have the passion to help everyone (im one of them that he has helped) and maybe jkcinc does have his own point as well but we're not here to argue or talk smack about n e one.....we are all here to help out and share information on the cars that we all love so much. plz peeps, hold your negative thoughts to yourselves and only let out the good thoughts, especially when referring to other members. thks all members.

im not trying to be the moderator or anything....i just want everyone to enjoy the forum's, have fun,experience from one another and most of all respect each other's advice or correct one another. thks

[the flying scotsman]

I just paid $50 and downloaded 100+ pps. of what seemed the most reputable DIY kit to get an idea of what Hydro4000 charges 1200 bucks for (w/1 yr guarantee plus another $200 for another year). All kit component suppliers are listed but the requirement to construct the heat element by hand-winding 2000 wraps of wire to form the coil ass'y ain't something I'm going to do. The device seems a bit Rube Goldberg, but when drawn into the intake, the hydrogen gas produced by the process may well assist the burnoff of the alleged 20% of remaining unburned gas passing out the exhaust. I run transportation companies. The gas bill is killing me and I don't think gas will ever be less than $4/gal again. Anything which brings the cost down is to be considered.

[jkcinc]

I just wanted to add one more thought for consideration. An engine that uses water for fuel is not a perpetual motion machine anymore than one that runs off gasoline. A perpetual motion machine would be something that never needs refueling and runs on its own.Also A lot of people are thrown off by the notion that during combustion the hydrogen and oxygen reunite and become water, while this may be the case the fact is most of the hydrogen burns off and if it were to recombine...well, 1 gallon of water can expand to nearly 2000 gallons of vapor, and your using such a small amount of vapor, to recombine it would be nearly impossible, as well as completely unnecessary. The idea of running a vehicle for next to nothing has become such a far fetched idea in our society that it must be deemed a snake oil trick. The fact is, gas was cheap and efficient for a long time to accomplish tasks, but so were other things and with time we learned and grew past them. Now its not and its time to change, if not change, AT LEAST try to find a way to supplement our dependency on oil and save some coin.

[sol_tegra]

Originally Posted by jkcinc

I just wanted to add one more thought for consideration. An engine that uses water for fuel is not a perpetual motion machine anymore than one that runs off gasoline. A perpetual motion machine would be something that never needs refueling and runs on its own.Also A lot of people are thrown off by the notion that during combustion the hydrogen and oxygen reunite and become water, while this may be the case the fact is most of the hydrogen burns off and if it were to recombine...well, 1 gallon of water can expand to nearly 2000 gallons of vapor, and your using such a small amount of vapor, to recombine it would be nearly impossible, as well as completely unnecessary. The idea of running a vehicle for next to nothing has become such a far fetched idea in our society that it must be deemed a snake oil trick. The fact is, gas was cheap and efficient for a long time to accomplish tasks, but so were other things and with time we learned and grew past them. Now its not and its time to change, if not change, AT LEAST try to find a way to supplement our dependency on oil and save some coin.

i agree with what your saying.....hydro does help on mpg's. my buddy is using it on his carb. engine and he's getting better mpg's.

[jtgh]

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