plz help...Tracker turns over-won't start

[deb]

Please help ..my 92 tracker turns over but won't start..a friend looked at it and said there was no fuel getting to engine...the fuel pump works but no fuel going to/or past throttle body? It started for a minute when he poured gas in ..but qiut right away.Sometimes there's a clicking noise when i try to start it. Phoned the Chev dealer they said it was probably the computer ..costs $1200 plus tow bill and labour..don't have money for that..i'm a single mom and really need my car...could it be some other cheaper problem...? I really appreciate any ideas anyone could give me
Deb

[jtgh]

most likely the ECU is bad,
placing a NOID lamp on it , will show no flashing while cranking.

dealer wants 1200
EBAY you can buy used ones for 200 to 400
for follow my link on my page to mandigital on ebay.
he will exchange it for $70 buckerros

click>>> ECU

yes, it can be something cheaper.

power feed to ECU puter bad,
The noise suppresson on the engine side fire wall next to coil could be unplugged.
the Fuel pump or fuel pump relay could be bad.
the fuel filter could be clogged $20.
sometimes there seems to be fuel when there is not, takes a guage to be sure.
how ever if there is lots of pressure on the return line changes are pump is good and not weak.

try keyon, key off , key on , key off, three times, not starting then start.
this will build max pressure. if it starts, fuel side is bad.

the NOID lamp will prove the ECU is not injecting signals and would be the first test to do now.

every mech has a noid lamp. (or something better)

[jtgh]

its a 92 , all 92's have failed or will fail. get the caps replaced and drive it like you stole it.

there are no cheap fast fixes unless you have a wrecker close by who has one.


here is the man;
eBay Seller: mandigital: Parts Accessories items on eBay Motors

talk to him. ( is an R&R ,man , Repair and return)

there are others on ebay that will ship first ,if you promise a core and prepay the core.

[leeschaumberg]

Deb- If your 92 isn't getting fuel to start you may have a couple of problems. 1st- Is there fuel in the tank? 2nd- Is the fuel filter allowing fuel to enter. If you had a problem it would have drove home funny. 3rd-The ECU or engine control unit is what is called the computer. When these units get poor conectivity things don't work like there supposed to. Many times if they are unpluged and plug back in a couple of times they will work fine. Find a person that knows to help you!

[jtgh]

any 92 with a no start but starts with a dribble GAS TRICK.
yes, re-seat the ECU, behind left front speaker but unless you know how to depress the unlocks,you will break something. (do NOT just yank the cables, anywhere on car)

the NOID LAMP is the best way to tell if the problem is lack of fuel or lack of INJECTION PULSES FROM THE ECU.
$2 light bulb as I show on my link above, easy, cheap fast test.

the lamp will flash brightly, as you crank engine. if not ECU is busted or:
here is a list of ECU no injection pulse reasons: { dead NOID lamp symptoms}
1: no power
2: no ground ( at dizzy base and thermostat housing are cirical grounds. for ecu and sensors.
3: no spark always means no injection (yours, has spark, so skip)
4: no CAS , yours has spark so CAS is good ( cas is the sensor at base of Dizzy) (crank/cam angle sensor)
5: TPS wiper pin stuck at 4. to 5v signalling forever UNFLOOD MODE. (throttle pos. sensor)
6: spark read back pin busted or noise filter open bad or unplugged. <<<< just fixed one last week for this but car was a frankenkick. (kick engine in a sammi)
7: bad ecu (very common) most only need $3 capacitors to fix it.


That was all the Electronic reasons. (sounds daunting but after all , a computers does run that engine)
There can be other reasons, ( I skipped the basic mechanical engine part , crank, pistons, valves, Timing belt slipped,etc)

the NOID test ,why is that the best way?
simple , it cuts the problem in 1/2 , <<< give time saver ,if ever......

BTW: this car does NOT know the fuel rail pressure ,so it pulses injector , no matter what the fuel pump i doing.

BTW2: Jeff Hartman's new book has an error on 164 step 4, he shows testing for fuel by pull in the coil. (buy the book its great)
on Suzuki's this kills the fuel pump , that's right, if the ECU can not see spark , it kills the fuel pump to prohibit hydrolock or fire in a collision. so dont kill spark while testing on a Suz. or you will chase your tail.
Many After market EMS computers do not have this safety feature. sadly.

REFR1: the NOID IN ACTION: http://carfix.stufftoread.com/NOID/91-noid-sf1.jpg

[princessminniemoe]

my tracker, is doing the same ,
i drove it then came home dropped something off and got right back in it , and it will not start , it makes the "im going to turn over noice",and that's it!
I have no idea whats wrong with mine,. it made no weird noices or anything.. please help if you have a clue.

[jtgh]

many things can stop the process of starting and running.
fuel, spark or the lack of a good engine compressor. ( and the attendant timings)
click:>>> nostart

take a dummy spark plug (not a used one but any one that fits hole) and stick it at the end of #1 spark wire lead.
and ground the shell (just lit it sit on valve cover , shell agains cover)
now crank (dont touch it as 50,000 volts is VERY painful , 5 times a lawnmower sparky !).
this dummy plug will spark what a fat blue white flash, if it is weak and orange , then suspect battery voltage.

it its a 16v ,take my warnings and check Timing belts timings first , because, the car just may have saved you from killing it.
16V can stop running and it can be a blessing. <<<< see ?
why? well, lets see.
belt slips, timing goes off , engine stops, and pistons dont crash against valves destroying the engine. (think about it?)

i remember people back in the 60's would drive until the points completely melted away.
about 15k miles.
now they drive 100k and wonder.....

[deb]

Thank you so much everybody ..for the advice..hoping my friend will come back tommorrow and check this stuff for me..i'm not very mechanical...
will keep you posted.
thanks
Deb

[deb]

Sorry..forgot to answer the questions..the tracker has 3/4 tank of gas,it did start but was running a little bit rough..shut it off and then it wouldn't start again..noticed a clicking noise that wasn't there before...thanks again..Deb

[jtgh]

can you open hood and read words off top of engine.

black paint = 8v
fancy aluminum with giant words 16 VALVES.........?????

in order to fix it , you got to ID. it. or its just a crap shoot. see?

just be able to answer the same questions , you get asked at every parts store.
tell me what you got.
or tell me your VIN number.? see?