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Old 02-17-2008, 09:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just purchased a 92 Geo Tracker with 153,000 miles on it. The engine is
1.6L EFI 4cyl engine! The water pump has been replaced, and the thermostat was replaced as well with a 180 degree! The radiator was flushed and filled with 50/50 anti-freeze. I replaced both the coolant temp sensor and the Temp sending unit! My problem is, my temp guage is always close to the red zone! It isn't all the way into the red zone, about a 1/3 an inch away from the red line of the high temp area! The coolant isn't boiling over, nor is it steaming! What could the problem be? Why is it running so close to the hot zone! A mechanic told me to replace the temp sending unit with an AC Delco unit because that is original equipment. Also the Tracker has tube headers and a glass pack exhaust, i'm taking it off, but could this be the cause of my heat issues?
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Old 02-18-2008, 10:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Are you sure the gauge isn't bad? Check the engine warmed up with a non contact thermometer to verify. Header could be causing extra heat; factory manifold comes with heat shield. Good luck
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Old 02-18-2008, 12:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I have checked it with one of those temperature guns with the infared dot! It says like 186 to 192. Is it possible just to replace the temp guage not the whole instrument cluster?
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Don't know about the gauge change changeout, but the fully warmed up temp. range seems correct. Is it possible to adjust (bend) the gauge needle to the required postion?
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Old 02-19-2008, 12:14 PM   #5 (permalink)
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that guage, wires or single pin sender is bad ,or for the wrong car!

IR guns, thank heaven for them.
no more running in circles, hard cold fact, it is NOT too hot.

are you sure the sender is correct for your car. ? not from some other year, by some PO.

look in rockauto.com for many choices.

if guage is bad, best is a junkyard, replacement.

the answer to your question: can I just replace the single guage.? NO but...
Sender data:
the 92/93 are same pn for 8v or 16v engine (you did say but are lucky)
the 94/95 is the wrong part. and will not work.

suz.pn , 34850-50a00 ( suzi sells them)

you need to tell us, 4dr,2d, 2wd,4wd each body has a different speedo head.
you can buy a guage set (the internal guage ,see is it one piece)
not the whole head.

an alternate. buy a StewartWarner(etc) temp guage and put sender in old hole and new guage some where.


here is the FSM tests: page 8a81-6

test Guage ECT:
step 1: ground the sensor lead, guage must read H or sensor is bad , pull sensor wire first ok.
H indicated is a GO for the guage unit.
if guage reads C, then pull guage. ( C = bad reading from guage)

pull head unit if C, per above.
pins c2-13 to ground must be less tha 3 ohms or it is bad guage. this is the ECT pin that goes to the Sender.


it goes with out saying, IT DONT take much corrosion, to cause the guage to read hot.
bad wires, bad contacts end to end.

that is the FSM test.

easy huh?

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Old 02-19-2008, 04:27 PM   #6 (permalink)
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here is a more accurate data point.

started me tracker. till temp gage stabilized and was just tad
below 50% would say 40% C to H.
then ,measured my sensor with an ohm meter. it read 45.0 ohms.
easy as pie test, just grab any vm, dmm,dvm, any multimeter and read it.

meter is 3 ohms (less than)
sensor is 45 hot.
that answers all the question on the Temp gage.
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Old 02-20-2008, 07:34 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I did the ground test, and the temp gauge went all the way to the H zone! So that means that it isn't the guage! I think it is going to be the clutch fan, and the condenser fan! In the morning, I can run down the road, and the temp hand will stay in the center! When the day warms, the temp goes up and rest in the upper white arc! I think the clutch fan isn't locking in and is not moving enough air through the radiator fins.
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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going down the road fast, the forward movement creats tons of cool air.
fan clutch is not going to keep this engine cool on any average cold day. Never.
its only 1.6 liters and the radiator is huge in comparison.
It's for worse case, hot air, heavy load, and going way too slow . (fan clutch)


that guage test is not calibration avalidation check it is only a GO -NO GO test.
I want you to know if you took 100 trackers all at 200 degress F coolant temp.
all new parts , every one will read different, all. ( it is a very crude tool )
like a kids lunch box ruler compared to a machines calibers.

the IR Gun will tell the truth every time. accurate to Plus or minus 1 C, on most.

i need the following
never overheats idling?
only overheats while driving fast.

when does go high, and when does it never go high.

important to know that.
when it gets hot , get a reading of the stat housing immediately.
if it is REALLY hot:?

clogged rad, tubes , ones you cant see, IR gun can find that in a jiffy.
the gun is faboulous at finding clogged tubes.
head gasket leaking to water jacket.?

new thermostat is no good, happens many times, especially the cheap ones. from china.

Is the igniton timing way off? check it, or was it and you found it and changed it.?
if timing is off , tons of heat will be sent the coolant.

retarded timing, = massive heat to the coolant and out the exhaust.


You have not mention ambient temperature , Inuvik or Miami? it's a big world.
over heating in the winter?
clutch fan ( the fsm says , off top of head it is RPM based ,not thermal as some are)

I have never seen a car that was bad ( real overheating) that Did NOT produce 1 more real symptom of over heating or Extra gasses , in tail pipe , steam when hot or steam for
exhaust gasses shooting into coolant tank or , as the engine gets really hot
it WILL PING , rattel , rattle.

if you will tell me what geography you reside in , we might be able to help you.
if you like in the USA, just go down to the local harbor freight and buy that $19.95
IR gun, then next time , point it at the stat house and report.

I will never in my life ever , trust a OEM guage in any car,
Learned that hard lesson, in 1965.

One guy here posting a few months back , replaced everything, spent a fortune.
turned out to be a bad thermostat , ( new one was no good)
$11 but spent $1000.00

In the electronics business we call that guage a toy. that is all it is.


could you please tell us what you are driving ?

1992
Geo tracker , ok
8v or 16v, auto or manual , 2dr or 4dr, 5sp, 3sp/4sp automatic.
would be nice to know what your really are driving, cuz they are all different.

does car have air condtioning, is the front condensor full of dirt or trash?
give us more data , and your answers will get way better.


one test for a so called car that over heats.

just let it idle, is should never over heat. < a test,
Overheat means, water or gas barking in the coolant recovery bottle, steam, etc.

if it does the radiator is too small (clogged) or the engine is putting out too much heat.
my kick will idle till the tank is dry ,any day of the year. 90deg ,F max here.

THE magical IR gun will rule out bad RAD (flushing tells us nothing, it works 10% or none)
if the IR passes ! the core test then , put in a new thermostat as soon as you validate the ignition timing to be spot on.

if timing is OFF, then stop and do this:
1: if 16v panic and do not drive it. , check the timing belt for slippage
2: if 8v , feel safe and take time and check TBelt check.

timing NEVER goes off on the DIZZY unless the belt slips a cog.
Never. ( well as long as someone didnt mess with it, and only you know that)

One guy here claimed over heat,
but refused to pull the rad cap and look in the RAD, sure enough it was almost dry.
cool engine and check. ( never pull cap hot , please do NOT)

remember all cars must be burped the second day or soon after a fresh fill.
TRAPPED AIR will cause the gauge to go berserk ( up and down, up and down)

that is all i can think of.

here is more.
overheating
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Hi and thank you for all of your help. I live and drive in Central Mississippi. The Tracker is a 92 Geo Tracker 1.6l 8v 5spd Manual 2wd. It has an A/C, the condenser doesn't have any trash in it! When the Tracker is idling, you can see the Condenser fan spining from the air being pulled through the radiator! I have replaced the following; Water pump, Water pump hose leading to the thermastat housing, Thermostat replaced twice one was a 192 the current is a 180, Fan Clutch, Coolant temperature sensor, Temperature sending unit, I have had the radiator flushed twice, once with water today it was flushed with Prestone flush! I added Dex-cool anti-freeze with water! It only does this in the mid-day! In the morning, it doesn't do this, nor at night! However I did notice that when the shop repainted the Tracker, some paint got on the Condenser and Condenser fan! I will replace the thermostat again, but I will put a genuine GM thermostat back in it from the GM dealer, and see what happens!
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I forgot to mention, that it doesn't do this when idling!
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