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Old 09-16-2007, 09:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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HELP ! my 96 vitara jx will not start the guy in the garage said it was the distributor, changed it no help could it possibly be the on board computer (ECM)
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Old 09-17-2007, 10:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You'll have to give lots more info about the problem in order to get help here. Take a look at jtgh's help site. Tracka
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:25 AM   #3 (permalink)
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the problem started the other day i drove home from work car ran fine no problems what so ever. went to go out after an hour and the car would not start . the model is a 96 vitara 1.6 8 valve spanish model jx sport single port injection distributor has the coil built in and only 4 leads and there is no check engine light coming on, on the display by the speedo cant check fault codes thats about all i can tell you thanks for your reply
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Old 09-17-2007, 01:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
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no start. your country?
mileage on engine?
mileage since last tune up.?

1.6L vitara, MPI
yours is 1.6 MPI (multipoint fuel injection ) side draft Trottle body.
Coil over plug.
correct me if wrong.
This is OBD2 level car, no MOrse code CEL flashes, needs scan tool.
but you said , NO CEL !
FIRST CHECK ALL FUSES, in CAB and under the HOOD !!!

NO start , now or after next day ! Solid fail , I preceive.
Id, pull the oil filler cap , have someone crank car and look to see if CAM shaft spins ( snapped T-belt)
HOw old is that belt, 150k US miles? they snap between 100 and 150
dont you know, and on 16 valve engines, catastrophically.
yours is 8v , thankfullly


back to basics.
MPI , is more difficult ,so will flip coin and land on Spark.

(pull all the spark plugs ( to relieve starter load)..
Step1: try instant start, or LP applied to engine when it doesnt start.
If this scares you (does many) then we do it the hard way.
if step 1 passes , you have bad injection ( fast test huh)

get a helper, , get a spare sparkplug
unplug #1 coil OVER. connect coil over to plug, ground the shell of the
plug, to the block ,.now have other person crank , you watch , dont touch cuz
50,000 volts will bounce you off a wall. ( not kidding)

the spark must be fat and bright, not weak. blue white ,not yellow/org.

examine every inch of the coil OVER unit for damage.
no cracks ,dirt, grease , chips ,carbon, nothing but perfect plastic.
check tip carefully for damage and the whole side of tube.
repeat THIS test for each cylinder.

if spark is good, then Id do a compression test,since plugs are out.
but that's me.
if compression is above 150 cold (170 hot < you cant do that)
and equal between cylinders. then engine ok. (mines 155 cold)

Ok , the instant start trick would at least tell us if the engine is operational.
if the instant start trick , made the engine start for 1 sec.
and it sounded real good, it would in fact most probably be real good.
just starving for fuel.

MPI. BAD (spark is good)
how to proceed with that .
Me, Id start with gas pressure. check for proper gas pressure at the fuel pump. While at that, get a new fuel filter.

it is very unlikely that all 4 injectors clogged or decided to go dead.
start by having someone keyON , no Start and you listen in the
gas cap with cap removed for pump sound.
you should get 3 seconds of sound at the moment of KEY ON.
on a 96 , it could be longer, I do not know.

The ECU gates the pump via a relay, the key on, just wakes up the ECU.

this should get you on the correct path.
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got power into dizzy nothing coming out, no spark and i suspect no fuel. changed the dizzy 100 pounds later and still nothing think i'm gonna change the ECM and see what happens thanks for your help definately single port injection

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ECU


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make sure light (CEL) works first ok?
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the cel does not come on checked all fuses even the slow blow by the battery at a real loss its killing me cant even get to work
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sorry you are stranded. !!
delete: I was wrong!

you dont have spark, so did you check it with a dummy or test sparkplug?
reason:
you may have spark ,but its HITTING 180 degress from correct. (wasted on the exhaust stroke)
plug in test plug to #1 wire, ground body of plug (dont touch it, ZAP 50kv) crank and look. Blue spark!

we need to know :
1- number doors, 3 or 5?
2- is this TBI or Mulitpoint injection ( I think its TBI) , wow I see 5 cars 96 in EU with 5 diff. Carbs, and 5 TBI's !!
3- does the car have COIL on PLUG or do you have a plan old DIZZY with 5 holes in the DIZZY cap?

sorry i lead you astray.
regards.

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