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Old 04-06-2011, 11:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a 2010 SLS with CVT. I live in snow country, so I bought a second set of wheels with snow tires. Of course, after I put the snow wheels on, the TPMS light on the dash started flashing. So I bought 4 new sensors for the new wheels ($200). Had the sensors installed, and the dash light was still flashing. Took it to the tire shop and they "reset" the sensors, but the TPMS light did not go off on the dash. I took it too the dealer and $50 later, the light was off. So now its spring. I put my stock wheels back on at the TPMS light returns. I don't want to pay another $50 to the dealer to reset the TPMS, so I buy my own sensor reset tool ($80). You point it at the tire, push a button and it tells the sensor in the tire to send a signal to the computer in the car. Except, you have to put the car in "learn mode" first.

On other Suzuki models (I have two SX4's) you can put the vehicle in learn mode by pressing the driver's side door button. I've tried the same method on my Kizashi and it doesn't work!

Sorry for the long post... here's the question. Does anyone know how to put a Kizashi into TPMS learn mode without a trip to the dealer? The owner's manual does not give instructions.

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Old 04-06-2011, 11:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Not using SUZUKI Scan Tool
1)Confirm that all doors are closed and ignition mode of keyless push start system is in “OFF”.
2)Open driver side door.
3)Perform the following Steps a) to c) within 15 seconds after changing ignition mode to “ON”.
a)Press driver side door switch within 5 seconds after changing ignition mode to “ON”. Keep pressing driver side door switch for 2 seconds.
b)Release driver side door switch and then press driver side door switch for 2 seconds or more.
c)Release driver side door switch and then press driver side door switch for 2 – 5 seconds.
4)Using recommended tool (“VT55” made by ATEQ) (1), activate each tire pressure sensor within 180 seconds.
Refer to instruction of recommended tool for method of activating tire pressure sensor.
5)Push engine switch to change ignition mode to “OFF” after registration is completed.

NOTE:
•When tire pressure sensor is activated, ID code of tire pressure sensor is registered automatically in keyless start control module.
•If all 4 tire pressure sensor ID codes are not registered in keyless start control module within 180 seconds, perform the above steps again. Also, it is possible to check the number of tire pressure sensor ID codes received by keyless start control module by observing the flashing pattern of low tire pressure warning light.
•If registration of tire pressure sensor ID codes are not completed within 180 seconds, former ID codes remain in keyless start control module.
•When keyless start control module receives all 4 tire pressure sensor ID codes, keyless start control module turns ON low tire pressure warning light in combination meter for 5 seconds.
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for the reply Jeff. I have tried the method you described about 10 times, and nothing changes. I've tried holding the door button a little longer and shorter, anything I can think of, but it doesn't seem to have any effect.

Is the car supposed to respond in some way to let you know that it is in learn mode? My dash says "Service TPMS" the exclamation point icon flashes and the tire symbol is on.

Any thoughts?
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Thanks for the reply Jeff. I have tried the method you described about 10 times, and nothing changes. I've tried holding the door button a little longer and shorter, anything I can think of, but it doesn't seem to have any effect.

Is the car supposed to respond in some way to let you know that it is in learn mode? My dash says "Service TPMS" the exclamation point icon flashes and the tire symbol is on.

Any thoughts?
Aside from taking it to the dealership to put the car in learn mode with the scan tool I don't know. The 200 step procedures that Suzuki uses never seem to work properly....or there could be a typo in the instructions that I copied and pasted from the service manual...Suzuki manuals are horrible for that
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I think the service manual is correct, because it is the same process for an SX4. I'll try it a few more times before I give up.

Do you think a "generic" scan tool would work to put the car into learn mode? I can get a OBDII scan tool for about $150.

Thanks again for your input.
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I have read on other forums that people are putting all four sensors inside a wheelbarrow tire. Then pumping the wheelbarrow tire & sensors up to 40 lbs and throwing into the trunk. Regular stems on winter & summer rims!
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Good News Bad News.
Good News: Schrader is making a new TPMS sensor called EZ sensor. It is programable using standard ATEQ programer. They can read your original sensor and program new sensor with same ID. Install those in your winter wheels. Then you can swap winter wheels and summer wheels and the cars TPMS does not know the differance. Does not need to be taken to dealer for Re-learn. Tirerack has sensors for $46 ea.
Bad News: I already installed a different set of sensors and need to go to dealer for programing my winter wheels still.
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Good News Bad News.
Good News: Schrader is making a new TPMS sensor called EZ sensor. It is programable using standard ATEQ programer. They can read your original sensor and program new sensor with same ID. Install those in your winter wheels. Then you can swap winter wheels and summer wheels and the cars TPMS does not know the differance. Does not need to be taken to dealer for Re-learn. Tirerack has sensors for $46 ea.
Bad News: I already installed a different set of sensors and need to go to dealer for programing my winter wheels still.
+1.

I just swapped out my winter Blizzaks for my all-season OEMs without any problems, and no need for TPMS reset. Honestly, I don't know why it worked, because I didn't force it to "re-learn" and I didn't take it to the dealer. The actual Suzuki TPMS sensors are a horrible ripoff, going for somewhere around $126-135/EACH!

I will try to be as clear as possible, since I know this is a confusing topic for all (myself included!):

Equipment:

1. Original 2011 Suzuki SX4 Crossover (Tech Pkg) wheels with the original all-season tires and factory-installed Suzuki TPMS
2. Blizzak WS60s
3. Suzuki performance wheels (see attached image)
4. Schrader TPMS replacement sensors (4) from TireRack ( 315MHz Tire Pressure Sensor, Schrader #20087, see attached image)

What I did:

1. The original factory tires were dismounted from the factory wheels, but I left the original TPMS sensors on that set. Basically, I wanted to use the original wheels as the "winter beaters" and put the all-seasons on my nice, new, spiffy "performance" Zuk wheels.
2. The Blizzaks were mounted and balanced on to the original factory wheels, with the original TPMS sensors in place.
3. I put the winter set on my vehicle with the original sensors and wheels. NO TPMS LIGHT. It worked fine, as you would expect.
4. The original all-seasons were mounted on to the performance Suzuki wheels I purchased, using the new Schrader 20087 sensors I ordered from TireRack. I had the work done at TiresPlus (NO, I don't work for TP).
5. This Spring, I just swapped out my wheels: When I switched them, the car was off. I did one wheel at a time, and, when I was done, I moved the entire winter wheel set into my garage (car was in driveway). I checked the all-season/performance wheel tires pressures and corrected, then I started the car. I started the car without doing anything, and there was NO TPMS LIGHT.

I don't know why my procedure worked without re-setting the TPMS module. I can only hazard a guess that the Schrader replacement truly is an exact match for the sensors.

TireRack was very helpful with this (NO, I don't work for TR), so it may be worth a call to them if you are considering getting a dedicated winter/summer setup going.
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Getting about time to put winter wheels on again.
T1T2GRE You are talking about a SX4 correct. The SX4 and Kizashi have different TPMS systems.
Has anybody found a way to reset Kizashi TPMS besides dealer?
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:23 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Hi all. First time post here. Hope I can provide some help.

I have a 2012 SLS for which I bought a mint set of used MB wheels with Hankook Winter iPike tires for a virtual song. I did the research on TPMS units and found that Schrader made the cloning EZ sensor but there was no vehicle application for the Kizashi. I took the car down to Discount Tire as they exclusively sell MB wheels. I figured they would cut me a bit of a deal.

The salesman said that the VDO Redi-Sensors would work as cloned sensors without having to match the old units. Basically they put them in, put the wheels back on the car and I take off. Somehow the unit would pick it up. When they got them on and had to use the little tool to help the car learn I was highly disappointed thinking that with the EZ sensors it wouldn't have needed it since the car would have sensed the OEM sensor IDs on the cloned sensors. The salesman said unfortunately Suzuki didn't support that so I would have to get the sensors tied to the car's ECU each time with the tool. Discount Tire would do it for free though, just a hassle of time.

I left with the car. Went about 20 miles and the Service TPMS light came on. Took the car back a few days later and they reset everything. Went another 20 miles and the light came back on again. Yesterday I called the salesman and said the light was back on. I was wondering if the tire size would cause a problem as they are a little bigger than stock. Perhaps the different wheel size was causing an issue with sensed rotational speed and throwing an error? He was going to check with his corporate people for some help. I would do my own research too.

He called me today and said that there IS a method of cloning the OEM sensors to to new TPMS sensors - no tool, no learning necessary. The wheel speed had nothing to do with it as they are pressure-only (direct) units that only set off with low pressure. Tire position on the car is also a non-issue. It's supposedly a simple matter of plugging the original ID's into the new sensors. I'm going to bring the car in this Friday and we'll try the process again with the stock wheel sensors being cloned to blank ones. I also did some calling and got in touch with Bartech USA who handles the EZ Sensor line here. They said even though the Kizashi isn't listed in their application they COULD use cloned sensors. The specific one is the Bridgeport 33000.

I'll know more Friday. Hope this helps those who are trying to run a set of snow shoes and deal with this stupid TPMS system.

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